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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... I do think these tests are looking at automatic responses and not whether we then think about and criticize our own auto responses ... Supposedly they are looking at the time it takes to make the appropriate response, with usual associations being faster. Problem is that one may be more familiar with one side than the other ... is lack of familiarity a bias? I also did the weapons one and got "Your data suggest little or no association between White American and Black American with Harmless Objects and Weapons." This does not surprise me as I just do not see that many people with weapons (and I like it like that). Sure I know people with weapons, but they don't wave them around in public. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Jon Inactive Member |
More like the difference between a real gun and a toy. The boy in the store shot deadThe boy in the playground shot dead A little more time before jumping to conclusions may have made a difference. A person who waves a firearm aroundreal or 'realistically' fakegives up any expectation of safe treatment by law enforcement and accepts the possibility of finding a bullet between their eyes. The police are charged with protecting the public; sometimes that means shooting first and asking questions later. If you make yourself a good shoot-first target, that's your own damn problem, not the officers' and not society's. If it is the case that the police are shooting more black people waving around guns than they are white people waving around guns, the solution is for them to start shooting more gun-waving white people, not shooting fewer gun-waving black people. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8554 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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More like the difference between a real gun and a toy. Yes, I know. But that wasn't as much fun to write.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If it is the case that the police are shooting more black people waving around guns than they are white people waving around guns, the solution is for them to start shooting more gun-waving white people, not shooting fewer gun-waving black people. You mean like the cap guns I used to have and would pretend shoot at everyone? by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Jon Inactive Member |
You mean like the cap guns I used to have and would pretend shoot at everyone? Depends on how real they looked. And on how well you complied with their orders when they asked to inspect the 'weapon'.Love your enemies!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The police are charged with protecting the public; sometimes that means shooting first and asking questions later. How often is sometimes? Police In England And Wales Went Two Years Without Fatally Shooting Someone | FiveThirtyEight
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Depends on how real they looked. And on how well you complied with their orders when they asked to inspect the 'weapon'. You really believe that? Video: Cops Shot, Killed 12-Year-Old Two Seconds After Arriving at Park The kid in the park, Tamir Rice, had an "airsoft" bb pistol, the cops shot him dead within seconds of their arrival ... there were no questions asked. There are so many, so many, so many ... it can't be just coincidence. Edited by RAZD, : type of gunby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The cartoon linked in the comments says it all.
http://i.kinja-img.com/..._80,w_636/vka7tsi41jkdtzrzqh2a.jpg
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and I keep thinking about "Black Like Me"
Black Like Me, 50 Years Later | Arts & Culture|
Smithsonian Magazine may want to read it again ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Jon Inactive Member
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Depends on how real they looked. And on how well you complied with their orders when they asked to inspect the 'weapon'. You really believe that? Video: Cops Shot, Killed 12-Year-Old Two Seconds After Arriving at Park The kid in the park, Tamir Rice, had an "airsoft" bb pistol, the cops shot him dead within seconds of their arrival ... there were no questions asked. There are so many, so many, so many ... it can't be just coincidence. Looked into it more. Found the following:
These things taken together strongly question whether this incident was motivated by racist sentiments. It seems the actions of the boy were clearly threatening to average people (the reason the police showed up in the first place) and that the officer who shot him was inexperienced and prone to bad, over-reactive judgement under pressure (which this situation certainly was). Not all cases of black people being shot are examples of police racism. I think here we have a confusing situation misread by a poor cop. And that's based on the information I've found so far. Love your enemies!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
In fact all the recent cases of supposed racism in the deaths of blacks by white cops aren't racism. Witnesses against the cop in Ferguson admitted to the Grand Jury that they were lying and making things up because they wanted to believe the young man who was killed was a victim of racism. Or they believed what others had told them. Some said he was shot in the back, then admitted they didn't even see the event, and forensic evidence showed that he was not shot in the back. The cop was confronted by a young guy who seemed to be threatening him and reacted accordingly. If Brown had simply not come at him there would have been no shooting. But lies and hysteria prevailed.
The Garner case in New York city is a similar situation. The man had a long record and was caught illegally selling cigarettes again. He resisted arrest and kept pushing the cop away. The cop did what he was trained to do when resisted, he didn't do anything unusual or out of racist motives though the result was tragic nevertheless. And he was acquitted rightly. Who is whipping up all this racist antagonism in these communities anyway? And what justifies looting and burning down the town? It's the black people who suffer from that too.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Looked into it more. Found the following: Good job.
The pistol was by no means clearly fake Correct. ALSO clearly, there had been NO shooting by the kid (or the shooting of bbs was not noticed by anyone - air-guns don't make much noise). As such there was a potential for danger - enough to proceed with caution -- but NO "clear and present danger" for the police to come in with guns blazing.
The report to police claimed he was waving it around. Correct again, and again there were no reported shooting of the gun. It could have been a toy gun, a real gun with no ammo, or a loaded gun that had not yet been fired.
The officer was not very good at his job, and probably shouldn't have been a cop just on the grounds that he was technically unqualified for the position. Indeed. He quit his previous rural police job before being let go, and applied to the big city to "see some action." So he was predisposed to violent response.
These things taken together strongly question whether this incident was motivated by racist sentiments. As the racism test here (that you denigrated and declined to complete?) shows, people, especially white people are likely to have\harbour racist tendencies even when they think they don't. I scored higher on that than I thought I would. One of the things in that test was whether you associated violence with blacks more than with whites. So the question is not whether the policeman was racist but whether he was more inclined to think a black kid had a real pistol than he would think a white kid had a real pistol in a similar situation. I think the answer for a LOT of people to that question is yes, even if they don't think they are racist, but because of news reports associating black kids with crime and shooting more than white kids.
Not all cases of black people being shot are examples of police racism. Not the overt racism of the old south, but the lingering racism embedded in our culture, especially in the culture of fear. I've lived down south and been told by the people there that they've "come a long way" ... but what I saw was that maybe 1 step out of 100 had been taken, that most of it was lip service. One lady told me "I love them, love them to death ... but I just don't want them in my neighborhood." The first part doesn't white-wash the second part. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But that's always how it works. You never get a situation where the cop says: "You're a nigger, so I'm going to shoot you for being a nigger ... is anyone taking this down? Great, 'cos I want to put that on record. So, to be perfectly clear about this, this is all about skin color." BANG!
But you do have to wonder what's going on. http://www.addictinginfo.org/...her-home-beat-and-kidnap-her ... cue Faith explaining how it was her fault for being out of doors.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course I said nothing even remotely implying such an attitude but that doesn't stop the lies does it?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Of course I said nothing even remotely implying such an attitude but that doesn't stop the lies does it? Of course you didn't just blame the victim twice in a row, and it would be a maliciously accurate slander to point out that that's exactly what you did.
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