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TechnoCore Inactive Member |
Im sure you didn't, but then again the reply was not for you, it was a reply to gman.
...Though this reply is for you even though you didn't want it
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desdamona Inactive Member |
Yes,but do you understand that there had to be a first?
God is too great to try to lower to our own understanding. To you perhaps being proud and puffed up is a good trait,but, it's a sign of ignorance to me. Desdamona
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HoonWoo Inactive Member |
Why couldn't you consider that Gods are human creations in the first place?
We created many godsBut one god tries to rule us all!
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:æ:  Suspended Member (Idle past 7212 days) Posts: 423 Joined: |
desdamona writes:
No, there doesn't have to have been a first anything. Let me illustrate with gman's post #8 in this thread:
Yes,but do you understand that there had to be a first? gman writes:
This demonstrates a certain naivete of relativity theory and the various ways of describing infinities. There is nothing irrational about the idea of an infinite number of temporal moments in our past because time is not discrete -- it's continuous (think: space-time continuum). All continuous intervals are infinite, even if they are bounded. The last hour had an infinite number of temporal moments in it, and so did the last minute, and the last second for that matter. Even so, there's no rule that says infinite sets cannot have a least or greatest element. The points on a closed continous interval comprise an infinite set with BOTH a greatest and least element, for example. If we assume that time actually exists as we perceive it to exist, (A linear series of events moving from past to future) then time must have a starting point. Otherwise we would never have reached the present moment because an infinite number of events would have already happened in the past...and infinity can't end. The argument that an infinite number of temporal moments cannot have passed for the reason that "infinities don't end" is easily overcome by some elementary training in set theory.
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desdamona Inactive Member |
I can't believe it because it would be a great burden on the backs
of all humans.We need someone to care for us and look after us. We need to know that someone is in complete control. How can man save man from man? Desdamona
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desdamona Inactive Member |
God is infinite and he doesn't need time.
People cannot be omni-present.We cannot ever know all things. It takes faith to be a christian and it takes faith to be an evolutionist.They both require faith. Desdamona
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:æ:  Suspended Member (Idle past 7212 days) Posts: 423 Joined: |
desdamona writes:
Do you have anything to say that actually addresses my statements?
God is infinite and he doesn't need time.People cannot be omni-present.We cannot ever know all things. It takes faith to be a christian and it takes faith to be an evolutionist.They both require faith.
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:æ:  Suspended Member (Idle past 7212 days) Posts: 423 Joined: |
desdamona writes:
You do realize that the burden it might incur on humans is completely irrelevant to the truth of the matter, don't you?
I can't believe it because it would be a great burden on the backs of all humans. We need someone to care for us and look after us.
Please speak for yourself. I'm doing quite well looking after myself, thank you very much.
We need to know that someone is in complete control.
Again, you might like to think that "someone is in complete control," however I have never found it necessary.
How can man save man from man?
I'm not convinced that men NEED to be saved from men.
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desdamona Inactive Member |
Hey,hey,hey,hey, I am not directing this at you personally.
It's just that to me,in my honest opinion,God is a plus,and to be loved so much no matter who we are or what we have ever done is a great relief. People are sometimes very unforgiving,not all,but some,and it helps me sleep better at night knowing I don't have to be perfect or live up to some one else's idea of perfection. I've been in alot of bad..... I mean bad relationships where people just wanted to own me and boss me around,and shove their ideas of right and wrong down my throat or they would beat up on me if I didn't accept them and so forth. The threat of violence always hung over my head,so I am glad that there is a God,and that there will be justice,but that is what works for my world,I didn't mean to imply that it works for all people or everyone,I just wanted to know if anyone considered the possibility,that there had to be a first,or that there was a first? Desdamona
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desdamona Inactive Member |
yes I do,but I forgot what it was.
Do you mean that creationists have it all wrong? Desdamona
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:æ:  Suspended Member (Idle past 7212 days) Posts: 423 Joined: |
desdamona writes:
Then perhaps you should consider using "I" as the subject of your sentences instead of "we."
Hey,hey,hey,hey, I am not directing this at you personally. The threat of violence always hung over my head,so I am glad that there is a God...
...hanging the threat of violence over your head.
I just wanted to know if anyone considered the possibility,that there had to be a first,or that there was a first?
The possibility has been considered, and so far nothing requires that there is one.
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:æ:  Suspended Member (Idle past 7212 days) Posts: 423 Joined: |
desdamona writes:
While that is something I believe, that is not what my statements signified. Do you mean that creationists have it all wrong? I mean that the argument that there MUST be a so-called "First Cause" since time allegedly cannot be infinite in the past is a faulty one.
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desdamona Inactive Member |
Does this give your life more joy and purpose?
It's so clear that people can view the world so differently,and yet still be very happy with their own personal view of it. I believe there is a God,you may not,but that doesn't mean one person is less valuable than the other to me. I believe personally there had to be a first,and you do not,but I am not threatened by you view. Desdamona
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desdamona Inactive Member |
Do you believe the bible has any credibility?
I do,and The book of Genesis tells us that in the beginning,GOD. This is the greatest reason I believe there had to be a first,and my experiences. God made everything complete,and perfect,but man listened to satan, and things have been distorted ever since. I realize that you do not accept this as the truth,but can you explain why you believe that God may not exist? I believe that every individual is not exactly the same even in a certain group with those of a simular view. Christians don't see everything exactly the same. Is there a reason why you really don't believe there had to be a first besides the whole evolutionary idea? Desdamona
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HoonWoo Inactive Member |
Is there any good reason to believe there is a first (or God) apart from the fact that you NEED a God?
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