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Mammuthus
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Message 46 of 183 (51381)
08-20-2003 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by joshua221
08-20-2003 11:35 AM


There are gay Christians for one thing.
And regardless of what the bible says about the consequences of homosexuality the fact is it has a heritable component...simple as that...
funny..I was not even debating the morality of homosexuality but trying to correct Crashfrogs statement about a gay gene...and as a result I get a creationist outing party as to their lack of knowledge about genetics...given the complete illogic of A Christians last rant maybe I should post a soup recipe and see what other subject he/she has not clue about.

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Coragyps
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Posts: 5553
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002


Message 47 of 183 (51388)
08-20-2003 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by joshua221
08-20-2003 11:35 AM


The Bible blatantly states that being homosexual is an abomination to the Lord.
Don't forget catfish and shrimp. And crawdads.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 48 of 183 (51390)
08-20-2003 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Coragyps
08-20-2003 1:06 PM


And wearing two different kinds of cloth together.
And not travelling 100 yards or so outside of town when you have to take a crap.
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"God's watchin' me do number two? Oh, man! I'm a sinner and God's a pervert."
-Chris Griffin
[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 08-20-2003]

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A_Christian
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Message 49 of 183 (51393)
08-20-2003 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Dan Carroll
08-20-2003 1:41 PM


Mammuthus:
Sir, I believe that a murderer can be a Christian or can become
a Christian. That doesn't mean that a murder wasn't committed
or that it suddenly became OK.
The very same is true for a homosexual. The act doesn't take on
righteousness because the person is or becomes a Christian. However,
the indivdual recognizes that he is living in error and is trying to
change with GOD's help. The act isn't OK and lives still can
be ruined by sin.
Mr. Jack:
You need to remember what it was like being an adolescent and going
through puberty. You need to set aside the attitude and discover
alittle common sense.
Dan Carroll:
Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL the requirements of the LAW. Christians
are bound by only 2 principles. Love the LORD your GOD with
all your heart, might, soul and love your neighbor as yourself.
Who are YOUR neighbors?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 50 of 183 (51395)
08-20-2003 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by A_Christian
08-20-2003 2:12 PM


quote:
Christians are bound by only 2 principles. Love the LORD your GOD with all your heart, might, soul and love your neighbor as yourself.
So... it doesn't matter if a Christian is a homosexual, or has an abortion, or uses birth control, etc, etc? As long as they love God and their neighbor?
Cool.
But wait... in the same post you tell Mammuthus that a Christian can't be a homosexual, because it's breaking God's rules. So I guess loving God and loving your neighbor isn't enough?
Okay, then why don't you bury your poop a hundred yards outside of town?
quote:
Who are YOUR neighbors?
I haven't met the ones who just moved in, but last year I had a crazed lunatic who was always cleaning his rifle, and a hairy weirdo who re-read "Lolita" one too many times for my taste.
Good guys. We used to go to four-dollar pitcher night at the Cove together.
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A_Christian
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Message 51 of 183 (51400)
08-20-2003 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Dan Carroll
08-20-2003 2:29 PM


Dan Carroll:
You need to read the story of the Good Samaritan. It is found in
Luke chapter 10 verses 25-37. I didn't say that it is OK to
be a homosexual or a murderer. I said that it is possible for one
to be a Christian and sin. However, ultimatly only GOD knows a
person's heart and yes, sin ALWAYS has repercussions----both for
the sinner and those around him.
God does say in His Word that by their works one may see a fellow
Christian (see Galatians, chapter 5, verses 17-26. Here we have
a comparison of works of the flesh and those of the spirit. This
is what Christians are to use as signs of TRUE spirituality and
godly growth. To live an excuse is no excuse.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 52 of 183 (51402)
08-20-2003 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by A_Christian
08-20-2003 4:26 PM


Okay. So why are you condemning homosexuals when you don't travel 100 yards outside the city to poop? Remember, to live an excuse is no excuse.
If I'm not mistaken, he who is without sin is supposed to cast the first stone. And considering that the punishment for breaking the laws in Leviticus is death, you can't really say that the 100-yard mad dash to the bathroom is less important than homosexuality.
You can't have it both ways. Either a strict adherence to God's commands is required, or it isn't. According to your own definitions on this forum, your pooping habits mean you are not a true Christian.
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A_Christian
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Message 53 of 183 (51405)
08-20-2003 5:25 PM
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08-20-2003 4:55 PM


You're not to have any other gods but GOD.
Sex can be a god and is in the case of the
homosexual, as the sex has NOTHING to do
with either procreation nor marriage...

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Dan Carroll
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Message 54 of 183 (51410)
08-20-2003 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by A_Christian
08-20-2003 5:25 PM


And you are not to poop inside city limits or you must be put to death. If you are not obeying God's laws, but you are still calling yourself a Christian, who are you to say that another person can't do likewise?
I'd like a direct answer, please.
As for "nothing to do with marriage," it's largely Christian fundies keeping homosexuals from getting married. Can't blame them for your actions.
Regardless... why does sex that has nothing to do with procreation or marriage qualify as a god?
Again, I'd like direct answers to my questions.

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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 762 days)
Posts: 5553
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002


Message 55 of 183 (51411)
08-20-2003 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by A_Christian
08-20-2003 5:25 PM


Sex can be a god and is in the case of the
homosexual, as the sex has NOTHING to do
with either procreation nor marriage...
That makes it a god, huh? I would have thought it was more like a recreational activity. Watching football on TV has nothing to do with procreation or marriage, either. Does that make all who watch it idolaters?
And doesn't that commandment say "no other gods before me?" Islam is the religion that says there's only one of 'em, isn't it?

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1494 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 56 of 183 (51414)
08-20-2003 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Trump won
08-20-2003 11:08 AM


Well I feel that I dont need to support what I said, its obvious. I dont think its hereditary either.
Yeah, it's obviously wrong.
We've presented evidence that homosexuality has a component that can only be explained through heredity. Are you just going to ignore this? You can't chalk it up to the family because we've done separated-at-birth twin studies that show that if your identical twin - whom you've never ever met - is gay, there's a big chance you will be too.

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4986 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 57 of 183 (51415)
08-20-2003 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Dan Carroll
08-20-2003 5:43 PM


Hi Dan,
As for "nothing to do with marriage," it's largely Christian fundies keeping homosexuals from getting married. Can't blame them for your actions.
I think that there was recently a homosexual marrige in a church in California? Do you know anything about that?
Brian.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 58 of 183 (51417)
08-20-2003 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Brian
08-20-2003 5:53 PM


I didn't know, no. Which sect?
I know the Episcopalian church has been tossing around the idea of gay marriage. Which would be hysterically funny, because it will prevent Congress from defining marriage as between man and woman. After all, Congress cannot make any law which will prevent free practice of religion...

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4986 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 59 of 183 (51420)
08-20-2003 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Dan Carroll
08-20-2003 5:59 PM


I have a vague recollection of it, I may be mistaken but I will look into it. There's reference to a gay marriage here Canoe.Com
I am pretty positive that there have been a few gay marriages in some churches, I was discussing the possibility that Jesus was gay on another forum a while ago, but I got banned LOL, so I couldnt access the site to read the follow ups!
I will have a look tomorrow and get back to you, unless someone else posts confirmation of gay couples beingmarried in a church.
Brian.

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Agent Uranium [GPC]
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Message 60 of 183 (51421)
08-20-2003 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by crashfrog
08-19-2003 1:49 PM


Why all the flap about a gay bishop, I wonder?
Yes... I would hope they'd worry more about paedophilia in their ranks prior to condemning homosexual bishops, priests, etc.
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