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Topic: Dear fellow christian, judge not lest you be judged
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joshua221 
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Message 91 of 241 (141873)
09-12-2004 8:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by jar
09-12-2004 7:59 PM
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Re: Nonsense.
Are you sure? People (OTHER THAN JAR) would feel the way I had written, it's true, it's true!
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 92 of 241 (141877)
09-12-2004 8:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 91 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:02 PM
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Re: Nonsense.
Are you sure? Quite sure.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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joshua221
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Message 93 of 241 (141878)
09-12-2004 8:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 89 by crashfrog
09-12-2004 7:59 PM
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Just because the Bible is a fiction doesn't make it a lie. The stories the author uses to communicate a message has nothing to do with the veracity of the message itself.
Please.
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It's a direct question, yes, but not unfair.
Sure it's unfair, and the question for the record was absurd. I mean I know what you are trying to say but you don't see me. The Bible is not fiction, imo... But the message would be questioned if one (world) were think that the book has flaws, (except translation.)
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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lfen
Member (Idle past 4704 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: 06-24-2004
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Message 94 of 241 (141880)
09-12-2004 8:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 86 by joshua221
09-12-2004 7:55 PM
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We are not talking about shakespeare we are talking about the credibility of "God's Book". Shakespeare wrote some deep insights into the human condition that were very spiritual.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Ye all which it inherit, shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep. The Tempest Act 4 scene 1 The Bible, like the Koran, the Vedas, the Tao te Ching, is a book about God or the Source of the universe. The quality of the insights are those of the human authors of these books and subject to human error as are all books. lfen
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 95 of 241 (141883)
09-12-2004 8:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 93 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:08 PM
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But the book does have flaws. Genesis 1 tells a different story than Genesis 2. The world-wide flood never happened. The account of Joshua is incorrect. The Noah tale is fiction. Exodus never happened as described. But none of those flaws relate to the message. Love GOD, love others as you love yourself.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 96 of 241 (141884)
09-12-2004 8:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 93 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:08 PM
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Please. Well, I'm sorry that somehow you have yet to realize what anyone with the least bit of maturity understands - messages aren't less true simply because the examples used to convey them didn't really happen.
The Bible is not fiction, imo... But the message would be questioned if one (world) were think that the book has flaws, (except translation.) Questioned, yes. But wouldn't it still hold up? Why is it wrong to question a message?
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joshua221
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Message 97 of 241 (141886)
09-12-2004 8:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by jar
09-12-2004 8:13 PM
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Show me?
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But the book does have flaws. Genesis 1 tells a different story than Genesis 2. The world-wide flood never happened. The account of Joshua is incorrect. The Noah tale is fiction. Exodus never happened as described.
You are ignoring me? The message to others will not be believed as "GOOD" if they think that the bible is unreliable.
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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joshua221
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Message 98 of 241 (141887)
09-12-2004 8:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by crashfrog
09-12-2004 8:14 PM
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Questioned, yes. But wouldn't it still hold up?
This is where we are at now huh? To certain people, no. Next reply: Smart people? I can see the future!
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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joshua221
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Message 99 of 241 (141890)
09-12-2004 8:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by crashfrog
09-12-2004 8:14 PM
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Well, I'm sorry that somehow you have yet to realize what anyone with the least bit of maturity understands - messages aren't less true simply because the examples used to convey them didn't really happen.
Over your head...
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 100 of 241 (141891)
09-12-2004 8:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 99 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:21 PM
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Over your head... Beneath my contempt.
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 101 of 241 (141893)
09-12-2004 8:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 97 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:18 PM
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prophex I don't have a clue what you were saying or asking in your last thread.
The message to others will not be believed as "GOOD" if they think that the bible is unreliable. quote:
Insistence upon dated and partially contradictory statements of how as conditions for true belief in the why of creation cannot qualify either as faithful religion or as intelligent science.
Bishop Sims of Atlanta speaking about the contradictory accounts of creation in Genesis and why Creationsim should not be taught while the TOE should be supported.
Pastol Letter on teaching Evolution
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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joshua221
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What is over your head, it isn't about the messages being less true, it's about the messages not being believed.
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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joshua221
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Message 103 of 241 (141896)
09-12-2004 8:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 101 by jar
09-12-2004 8:27 PM
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Why this matters eludes me. (bishop of atlanta)
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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joshua221
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Message 104 of 241 (141898)
09-12-2004 8:31 PM
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Homework, later.
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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What is over your head, it isn't about the messages being less true, it's about the messages not being believed. If they're true, they'll be believed. What good is truth if you have to fool people into believing it? Wouldn't it be better to cultivate perspicacity in your audience, which would allow them to distinguish truth from fiction? This message has been edited by crashfrog, 09-12-2004 07:33 PM
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