Free will vs Omniscience

The liberal media is making idiots out of Americans. Most liberal listeners can no longer tell fact from fiction.The richest members of Congress are liberals.
The wealthiest Americans are liberals. The 3 wealthiest are Warren Buffett, Bill Gates & Larry Ellison.Hollywood, with all it's perverts, is liberal; so is San Francisco, Chicago, New York, and the Silicon Valley.Most rich Congressional districts are represented by Democrats.The majority of the people I know, and associate with, are Conservatives. They want only to work and make their own living, w/o all the restrictions.They don't want anyone else's money, be nor do they want theirs forcefully taken from them.They certainly don't want it taken and given to someone who thinks they are entitled to it.Everyone of us is responsible for our own actions. What we do for others must be done from the goodness in our hearts.Jesus gave us the example of the Good Samaritan to emulate. He never once asked us to rely on the state to provide our needs.

This reality is not limited to one "side". The conservative media...people such as Alex Jones...are making fools out of conservatives who view them as gospel. If there is a conspiracy occurring in the world, the media itself is part of it. People are responsible for utilizing various methods for gleaning facts from media fodder. We live in a world of infotainment. All media companies earn revenue essentially the same way. Many cater to specific audiences, and they know what tickles their ears. Bill and Melinda Gates are two people whom I admire. They are giving away much of their fortune to better the world, as is Buffet. I will agree that Soros misuses his fortune for political ends, but then so do the Koch Brothers. There are good and bad liberals and there are good and bad conservatives. Times are changing. The United States is no longer the place it once was with FDR, who was essentially the opposite of Reagan. And our debt began to skyrocket under Reagan and continues to this day. Which side do we blame for that? Certainly not just the liberals. After the aberration of the post-WW II effect, we lost our edge over the rest of the world. My parents did really well in the fifties and sixties. My generation will not do as well as they did. I can't disagree with you there. On the other hand, many people rely on Social Security to keep from being broke when they retire. Should we simply boot them to the shelters and streets?

So in other words, in order to be favorably viewed by we almighty and judging humans, God *must* never create people who end up going bad? This makes more sense to me than the whole idea that God cannot create anyone who will end up turning evil without Himself being labeled as evil. So you are annoyed because He knows something before you do? Assuming that your final destination is foreknown, should that change what you try and do on a daily basis? All the implication means is that every point in time is foreknown. Does it bother you that we don't know our own future and that some other alien might?

Please take your hateful peaching elsewhere. It is not worth my time to correct all of your mistakes. But this is not the correct place for your hate.

Oops. I did not realize you were replying to candle rather than myself. Open mouth insert foot. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

You may like this.
Since you cant see the video, chew on these quotes from Mr. Dillahunty:

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I want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible.
It's a meaningless panacea when we invent a god that can do anything and be anything . It serves as an answer to every question and an explanation for nothing.
Refining Reason Debate: "Is It Reasonable to Believe that God Exists?", Memphis, TN, 2014-05-31

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While many Christians claim divine revelation ” some even claiming that the truth has been revealed to them in such a way that there's no possibility that they could be wrong ” there's hardly any points of doctrine upon which all these purported conduits of divine revelation agree. Which means that some if not all of them are wrong. And if you want to know what's wrong with Judaism, you ask a Christian. If you want to know what's wrong with Christianity, you ask a Muslim. If you want to know what's wrong with Catholicism, or Protestantism, or Calvinism, Hyper-Calvinism, Neocalvinism, Southern Baptists, the Church of Christ, or the First Baptist Church of Memphis, you can go to the Second Baptist Church of Memphis or any other denomination.

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Comments? (You likely will agree with him)

Well, I have a major problem with asking the Second Baptist Church of Memphis about what's wrong with any other denomination since IIRC, they couldn't tell you since they know nothing about any other denomination. They don't want their pure spirits infested by the poisonous demons of false satan-inspired religions so they avoid all study, recognition, even mentioning of any other sect.Other than that, yeah, I pretty much agree.

So god IS restrained by time.
(This is the problem with making shit up.)

You must be a liberal. This is not a swipe at all liberals; my sister is liberal, and so is my neighbor.But, whenever the word "hate" is used, 99.9 percent of the times It comes from a liberal.

The real problem, however, is whenever a hateful thing is done to someone 99.9 percent of the times it comes from a religious conservative.

You know what I mean. He is essentially omnipresent. And even if it were proven that I did make stuff up, it is at least better than the OT God of the book whose almighty feet you hold to the fire before discarding any reason to seek Him.Sheesh!

I really don't. Which means he's everywhere simultanously.All knowing is the one you're after. But you just told us that he isn't because he's restricted to knowing only the present.If he's also ominiwhen, then he knows the future too and is therefore culpable. Sure - you need a biblical escape clause so you invent one. I understand that, but why stop there? I can invent a god that actually IS benevolent. But it would be just my invention. Sheesh! Indeed.

I agree that much of the horrible things done is committed by someone who claims to be religious. But, religion is based on faith.Atheists have faith that God doesn't exist. Evolutionists have faith that life began by rainwater falling on rocks. And, many have faith that the state will hug and kiss them and provide all their needs. They even believe that the state has the right to determine whether a helpless little baby should live or die.Jesus condemns murder, stealing, and cheating on one's spouse. He condemns anything that harms others, including ourselves.Jesus says those who practice such things have no part of Him.It's not Jesus' fault if people would rather follow their own evil desires, than to love others as they do themselves.

You don't talk to many atheists do you.You have no idea what atheists think. Nothing to do with faith.Faith in fantasy is your venue, not ours.I am constantly amused at how christians, supposedly charged with the welfare and keeping of their fellow humans, scream so selfishly when we as a society try to do just that.Apparently atheists are more christian than your church.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Well, it is. Quite often. The good news is that it's self-correcting. The way to do that is to not "believe" things that can not be demonstrated as true. I don't agree with that. Believers seem to put most of their effort into making excuses for God not doing anything.