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Topic: Definition please
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Message 46 of 164 (183183)
02-04-2005 7:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 45 by apostolos
02-04-2005 4:23 PM
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Re: Isaiah 40:31
apostolos
Does this mean that believers in the LORD will never be tired? No. The larger context makes it clear that those who are in dependence upon the LORD will be provided the strength and/or energy to accomplish that which is required as they individually place themselves in a resting position in God's plan, like a leaf being carried by a stream current. Please understand that I do not mean that a believer is to be inactive. Rather I am saying it is the strength of the LORD that makes the activity productive according to the plan that the LORD has established for that individual. Psalm 1 serves as an excellent support to this truth. This somehow does not square with the verse here.
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their
strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles;
they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk,
and not faint." To run and not to weary is pretty much a definitive staement. It reads to me as a statement of being unlimited in the ability to run. Are we to assume that those who believe never fail in their task? I also would like to know how you square up the statement "that which is required as they individually place themselves in a resting position in God's plan" with a free will.If god is interfering by supplying strength then he is altering an outcome that would otherwise happened which,in turn, neglects the choice of others involved with this person. I am sorry I find this a poor apologetics. This message has been edited by sidelined, 02-04-2005 19:58 AM
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: Yourself
You are right. Whats in an avatar?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 48 of 164 (183228)
02-05-2005 4:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 45 by apostolos
02-04-2005 4:23 PM
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Re: Isaiah 40:31
I have a definition of God (though I would disagree and say that I merely aggree with the Bible's definition). Whenever you reach a consensus please share it with us.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 49 of 164 (183235)
02-05-2005 7:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 44 by sidelined
02-04-2005 8:36 AM
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Re: Yourself
Um, that they stopped hoping in the Lord?
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Message 50 of 164 (183267)
02-05-2005 11:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 49 by riVeRraT
02-05-2005 7:29 AM
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Re: Yourself
riVerRat Really? If they never tire how could they possibly stop hoping in the lord? They get lazy? They cannot get lazy because they can never tire. This message has been edited by sidelined, 02-05-2005 11:48 AM
A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?' This raised his doubts to such a pitch He fell distracted in the ditch Not knowing how to run.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 51 of 164 (183343)
02-05-2005 8:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 50 by sidelined
02-05-2005 11:48 AM
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Re: Yourself
Last I checked tiring, and hoping are 2 different things.
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Message 52 of 164 (183364)
02-05-2005 10:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 51 by riVeRraT
02-05-2005 8:59 PM
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Re: Yourself
riVeRrat Let us review the arguement here
they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. So if we find an example of a born again Chrstian who gets tired this would mean what exactly?
riVeRrat writes: Um, that they stopped hoping in the Lord? Really? If they never tire how could they possibly stop hoping in the lord? They get lazy? They cannot get lazy because they can never tire.
riVeRrat writes: Last I checked tiring, and hoping are 2 different things. Yes they are. The arguement is that the verse quoted states that they will not tire to which you say that if such occurs then it is because they stopped hoping in god.I said how can they lose hope if they are not getting tired ever? Since you are the one arguing that lack of hope is the reason for getting tired you need to straighten out the point of your assertion.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 53 of 164 (183384)
02-06-2005 12:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 52 by sidelined
02-05-2005 10:00 PM
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Re: Yourself
This debate reminds me of 2nd grade. Taking the OT out of context again, Born again and the verse you quote are from 2 different times, lets keep them separate. It's been explained to, sorry if you don't get it. It's pretty freakin basic, if you hope, you get energy, to do his works, or wahtever God wants you to do. When you stop hoping, it goes away. Energy does not give you hope.
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Message 54 of 164 (183393)
02-06-2005 1:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 53 by riVeRraT
02-06-2005 12:16 AM
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Re: Yourself
riVerRat
riVeRrat writes: Taking the OT out of context again, Born again and the verse you quote are from 2 different times, lets keep them separate. LOL That would be a good idea RR how about you first
riVeRrat writes: Isaiah 40:31 but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Do fully understand what the term "born again" means? This discussion is over.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 55 of 164 (183423)
02-06-2005 4:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 53 by riVeRraT
02-06-2005 12:16 AM
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Re: Yourself
It's pretty freakin basic, if you hope, you get energy, to do his works, or wahtever God wants you to do.
When you stop hoping, it goes away.
Energy does not give you hope. If hope=energy then can I hope my furnace to work? Or can I just hope for food and recieve energy? I usally feel much more hopeful when I'm energetic.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 56 of 164 (183443)
02-06-2005 7:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 54 by sidelined
02-06-2005 1:15 AM
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Re: Yourself
It's a verse and a question. One that you still haven't answered.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 57 of 164 (183445)
02-06-2005 7:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 55 by tsig
02-06-2005 4:25 AM
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Re: Yourself
If hope=energy then can I hope my furnace to work?
Yes, if your furnace is full of demons, or needs to be free of it's sins. Way to take a statement out of context. I guess that is a strawman?
Or can I just hope for food and recieve energy?
God will provide, that is a promise.
I usally feel much more hopeful when I'm energetic.
Usually, but not all the time, that's my point, thank you for proving it.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4150 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 58 of 164 (183447)
02-06-2005 7:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 57 by riVeRraT
02-06-2005 7:32 AM
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Re: Yourself
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God will provide, that is a promise.
But hold on, I thought we were responsible for ourselves on this planet. If god will provide food, why not stop floods? Or does your christian god get fun out of those? why interfer in one situation and not in another?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 59 of 164 (183457)
02-06-2005 8:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 57 by riVeRraT
02-06-2005 7:32 AM
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definitions
God will provide, that is a promise. How can a being outside our comprehension provide? How can god make a promise?
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 60 of 164 (183579)
02-06-2005 6:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 58 by CK
02-06-2005 7:39 AM
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Re: Yourself
And you said you knew the bible....
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