Pat Robertson shows again why the Christian Right is such a laughingstock

Of course I start these types of arguments merely to stir up controversy! As a Christian, I would never support Pat Robertson or any political Christians in any degree! What I AM suggesting is that realistically, America is on a downward decline economically and many of the middle and upper middle class conservatives are scared that they are taking the brunt of the economic shift.As a grocery worker who has toiled for fifteen years to make $16.00 an hour, I shudder at the prospect of wealthy corporate cost cutters combined with consumer demands for a labor force more along the lines of $8.00-$9.00 an hour---hardly a liveable wage.The blame is of course the wealthy Capitalists on one hand, but it is futile to fight them. They will always have money. Collective anger, consequently, is on the masses of Third world humanity that want a piece of the action. Yes, this is correct. But what does it mean? If the Third World gets to develop all of their stuff, we will soon be a second or third rate economic power that will be wallowing in our debts and struggling to compete with these eager foreigners. (Part of the reason for the current Iraq War!) The typical liberal response is that we need to use our educational system and remain competitive that way. Many of us are too busy and/or too reluctant to go back to school. We want our uneducated blue collar jobs to remain at high standards...not lost to hungry and eager third world workers.Yes...what WOULD Jesus do? He would tell us that life does not consist of the things that one possesses. Right Wing American "Christians" are a spoiled and pampered bunch. They will never take the prospect of a diminishing economy as anything that Jesus ever mean't to happen to us...the center of His benevolance!! Like Chris Porteus says, a revolution is coming...and it won't be pretty to the conservatives. The liberals will survive it because they are more open to socialist solutions aimed at the wealthy eliists....the very group that the conservatives somehow want to protect. I doubt, however, that the people will be able to easily pry the 90% wealth out of the 2% elitists without a total economic collapse. It is easier to just collectively bully the wealth out of the masses....a very unchristian solution that Jesus DOES NOT like!This message has been edited by Phatboy, 08-24-2005 10:05 AM

I didn't know he said that. He should be prosecuted for terrorism.

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"dicks not death" is about as outrageous as it gets. Where did I say they promoting anything illegal?Of course, what they did is illegal, but we'll give them a pass. I agree with you and that may indeed be there point, but signs like "dicks not draft" doesn't really articulate anything. They are just using nudity for shock value.Do you think they are swaying any minds with this? Are they winning in the arena of ideas?

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Just noticed your signature. It might be a bit over the top. What do you think?

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Why?What is wrong with leftist ideology?

Pat Robertson continues his descent into madness. I wonder if he isn't suffering from some form of mental defect or disease, seriously folks. Talking about assassinating a foreign leader, despite the reason, is at the very least, irresponsible. It goes with saying that such actions if taken by our government would be unlawful and in terms of Christian conduct, sinful. His rhetoric in the past few years, with regard to his comments regarding hurricanes & tsunamis being inflicted by a vengeful God to punish the wicked, are those of a sick mind & leave me bewildered as to why someone within his organization has taken him off the air. I don't know anyone in my circle of "the Christian Community" giving him a pass. We all think he's gone completely mental. None of us agree with his outrageous interpretations of the natural disasters that have befallen our fellow world citizens. Frankly, we think he should take up a new residence, preferably in a padded cell.

I will change it.

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Leftist ideology, as a theory reads like poetry. When practically applied to life, it fails miserably in every country it's been implemented. It robs the human spirit of the will to excel & achieve, it robs the gains of those who work hard & gives those gains to the idle, etc., etc., etc. Bottom line: IT DOES NOT WORK.However, that being said, there are other ways of defeating Mr. Chavez, that don't involve assassination, which also doesn't work. That is a heinous act for which only evil will follow. The USA cannot engage in such evil & I am appalled at Rev. Robertson for calling for his death. Unacceptable & Mr. Robertson should apologize, retract his statement & then resign in disgrace.

In calling for this assassination, Rev. Robertson has made himself appear to look no better than all the fanatical mullahs in the Middle East issuing fatwas calling for Jihad against us & our President. Shame on him.

And strict rightist philosphy gets us what?The Chile of Pinochet? Remember USA had Allende assinated.
Papa Doc in Haiti
Support of Suddam Hussein for years
Need I mention what rightist philosophy has done to africa.

Thanks berb Well, I think he may get a pass because, after all, as a preacher it is expected for him to be concerned with advocating human rights, its the christian thing to do. So I think when he is involved with those type of orgs, conservatives tend to think of it as a humanitarian cause and not a "liberal" cause.Now when it comes to Sheehan. The criticism is founded in her far left vitriole. Sure, left leaning orgs like MoveOn.org have supported and promoted her and they have received criticism from the right for it. But those orgs would receive criticism regardless of who they supported, (of course it would rarely be a conservative cause). So in the case of Sheehan, its a two-fold situation. There is her statements which are off the deep end + her affiliations which are far left. Its the combination that has brought on the more critical attacks.I doubt that the criticism would be as severe if she was a quietly greiving mother supported by left leaning orgs. I'm not saying she should be quiet, I'm just explaining the reaction. I don't like statements like that either. I find it distasteful for someone to publicly announce they know why God does or does not do certain things. It feeds the sterotype of righteous Christian superiority. I'm guessing here, but I think that you don't hear a lot of conservative outcry in situations like this mainly because those in the media who lean left do such a fine job of attacking that it hardly seems worthwhile to throw gas on the fire. I might add that the same holds for the left when one of your own is spouting nonesense. The voices of the rightous right are loud enough to drown the concerned objections from the rank and file on the left.

BTW, I was running some errands a while ago this morning and I heard on the radio a sound bite from Robertson where he said the quote by the AP was incorrect. He said he never advocated assasination, he said Chavez should not be their leader. The implication I got from him is that it's up to the people of Venezeula to do something about it, not the US.Sugar coating the heat?

What's wrong with Chavez?He's popular, the people love him, and they support him. Is it so wrong to have a president that is well regarded/supported by the people?What buisiness is it of ours what social policy a democratic leader, in another country, want's to implement? A social democracy is hardly "Leftist Ideology", Europe is largely socialist.ABE: Arg... well, I know socialisim is usualy percived is on the left. But the way folks talk about this guy makes him out to be a total comunist or something.This message has been edited by Yaro, 08-24-2005 01:16 PM

Ya. I heard the whole segment on the radio, Robertson clearly advocates assasination.Here is the transcript: 'Christian' Pat Robertson calls for the assassination of Venezuela's President Chavez

A whole bowl-ful of Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs... He's also lying. Here's what he said yesterday, per CNN: Though, technically, he didn't say "assassination" verbatim ABE: Crap, late by about 30 seconds. Just when I had something to add to a thread...This message has been edited by vossy, 08-24-2005 12:35 PM