God Doesn't Believe in Atheists

gloriaDIOS:Unfortunatly, NIV probably has the worst translation out of every bible in common modern use. It tries to soften the language to make it more desirable for people to read, irons out contradictions that exist in the text, etc. KJV is so-so. New Living is pretty good; I can go into numerous cases on these as to why I state these things.In Isaiah 45:7, the word that NIV translates as "disaster" is ra'. From a hebrew dictionary:Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter BibleThe word means 'evil', plain and simple.Are you unaware that God is described a devouring fire and a consuming flame (read the early OT). The God in the early OT, when not being referred to with plural forms (such as elohim, vs. the singular eloah) creates both good and evil (especially a lot of the latter). Interestingly enough, after Satan gets introduced, he takes over the job. In a bible other than NIV (again, NIV irons out contradictions in the original texts), read first 2 Samuel 24:13, then read 1 Chronicles 21:1; then remember that Chronicles was written well after Samuel - after the Babylonian captivity, in fact, where they were exposed to a strong pagan influence.------------------
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This was a completely worthless post...might there come a time when a post can be completely deleted by a poster?[This message has been edited by Rrhain, 11-11-2003]

Hello Lindey,I'll capitalize your name even if you don't. It's just the right thing to do, you know? Every translation makes this claim my dear. And all evil, if you equate God and the LORD (AKA Jehovah). This equation creates most of the difficulties in theology, and most of the animosity which fundamentalists generate in unbelievers. I hope you don't believe this exempts him from responsibility for his role in things. And if he is using works of Satan, then Satan is his tool. And who created this Satan in the first place?If one insists that the Lord is God, then this is a serious philosophical problem and one which may result in deadly conflict with unbelievers. On the other hand, if the Lord (a king) is understood to be a god instead of the god, then the actions of the Lord become understandable in the politico-religious expediencies of human existence, while the role of the God, as creator of the universe and sustainer of life, remains as ever: ultimately aloof, superior and non-judgemental.See the difference? Probably up in smoke, as is the custom in my family. db------------------
"I was very unwilling to give up my belief." Charles Darwin

gloriaDIOS writes:

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When you die, do you know where you will be going?

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BZZZZT!Pascal's Wager. I'm so sorry, gloriaDIOS. Johnny, tell her what parting gifts she has!Well, Bob, gloriaDIOS has won herself a lifetime of anguish in someone else's hell! Yes, that's right. After spending all of her life fighting against Satan and worshipping the Christian god, gloriaDIOS gets a reward of going straight to Hades for her hubris. She'll be sentenced to solve a series of puzzles for which the instructions can be read in many ways. Every attempt to glean more information will be met with "Since it would just be a waste of my time to tell you, I won't." Of course, every proposed solution will conflict with something in the contradictory instructions. This being for her continued insistence that those around her are unworthy of explanations.But, she won't get hungry because she'll have an afterlife-time supply of Rice-a-Roni, the San Francisco Treat.You didn't really think that the god that truly exists is the Christian one, did you?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Dear Lindey:I Corinthians 15:58 -defendergloriaDIOS was right in her interpretation, as far as I can see. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defines ra` as bad/evil, also adversity, affliction, calamity etc. Now note that Isaiah 45 is addressed to Cyrus, king of the Medes and Persians (I assume it's the same one.) Cyrus was a powerful ruler who did not know God (verse 4). Verse 9 begins "Woe to him who strives with his Maker!" This passage finishes with verse 13: "I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways; He shall build My city and let My exiles go free, not for price or reward,' says the LORD of hosts." (NKJV)
It seems clear that the Lord is instructing Cyrus here and warning him about the price of disobedience, i. e. calamity. A just punishment may be seen as disaster from the perspective of the punished. How do you think Saddam Hussein thought of the first Gulf War?

O but the gods do believe in athiests.They are egotistical mentally-ill neurotics.But maybe not all gods believe this?------------------
Oinkus Erectus

Thanks! After all these years, I finally know who and what I am. LOLBy the way it's "atheists" not "athiests." Probably a good idea to correctly spell the name of the group of people you are offending.

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They are egotistical mentally-ill neurotics.

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If you're talking about gods, I agree wholeheartedly If you're talking about atheists, I suggest you visit a psychiatrist to discuss your delusions of omniscience - not to mention complete absence of tact.(Or maybe you're joking, and I'm just retarded)[This message has been edited by zephyr, 12-01-2003]

Wow, it's like he knows me!