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crashfrog
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Message 91 of 157 (71337)
12-06-2003 2:34 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by jantoo1
12-06-2003 12:43 AM


Scientists are far from perfect...
You are aware that science is a process, right? I mean, you've pointed out some of the great blunders in history, sure. (The majority of them stemmed from religious theocracy, by the way.)
Now we know those things are wrong. Why? Science! Science changes because it's a process of continually getting right-er. Religion never changes because dogma doesn't have to reflect reality - believers will accept any lies you tell them so long as you make it clear they're going to the hot place if they don't believe you.
Tell me what is better, honestly: to be mostly right, and getting righter, or to be totally, eternally, unchangingly wrong?

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jantoo1
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Message 92 of 157 (71586)
12-08-2003 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Asgara
12-06-2003 1:14 AM


Re: Evolution
Is my spewing, any more GARBAGE, that your spewings ,,,, I wonder???? You couldn`t even come up with a debate.. I have no need to back up what I say... If you`re sooooo darned smart... WHY NOT DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH BEFORE YOU ACT LIKE YOU`RE, ALL THAT AND THEN SOME.. I HAVE MY DEGREE, WHAT ABOUT YOU???? Maybe, you should so a little more DIGGING INTO FACTS... DO YOU`RE OWN research, before YOU DEMAND anything from me. I can back up my words... Can you????? Try using Google, They are sure TO CONNECT YOU WITH THIS INFO. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE WORLD WIDE...HMMMM.. SUCH A SMALL WORLD YOU ALL LIVE IN..

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jantoo1
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Message 93 of 157 (71587)
12-08-2003 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Rand Al'Thor
12-06-2003 1:34 AM


Re: Evolution
I again say that you all need to do your own research.. Try GOOGLE it is wonderful... I hate to sound mean as well, But I can back up my words. The information on that pre-historic fish is available worldwide. I will not do your research for you. I did mine... It is up to you to huNt for the facts. of which you don`t seem to have. thus why you felt inclined to flop your lips. is beyond me.. Get facts and then come back and debate.. I presented mine. I won`t find your FACTS,, FOR YOU....

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Dan Carroll
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Message 94 of 157 (71589)
12-08-2003 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by jantoo1
12-08-2003 1:26 PM


Re: Evolution
The facts are that you are grossly misinformed.
If you don't believe me, you need to go to google and do your own research. I've already given you my FACTS.
Wow, this is fun! Let's do it back and forth all day!

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NosyNed
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Message 95 of 157 (71591)
12-08-2003 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by jantoo1
12-08-2003 1:26 PM


Re: Evolution
jantoo1, Guess what! Dan and other here do know what you are talking about (or can at least guess). However, it is apparent you don't. Put forward the details of your arguement and the facts behind it. You might just learn something through the ensueing debate.
It is probably that everything you will bring up as already been posted here. You could use the search feature under Forums Nav to find them. If you want to prove your point you'll have to post something substantive. Otherwise it will be presumed that it is a waste of time to discuss things with you. Lots of people are big on making assertions and weak on backing them up.

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Coragyps
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Message 96 of 157 (71595)
12-08-2003 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by jantoo1
12-08-2003 1:21 PM


Re: Evolution
I have no need to back up what I say...
In that case, the forum you were looking for is down the hall, 73rd door on the left, down the stairs.
Do you really think that Googling "fish" and "twelve years ago" is going to give me any more inkling of whatever it is you're driving at than I have now?

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jantoo1
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Message 97 of 157 (71601)
12-08-2003 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by crashfrog
12-06-2003 2:34 AM


Hi,, slow down. {:-).. I have nothing against science.. I am sorry it seemed that way in forum. I do doubt their scientific findings. Which is what they do, doubt findings and then find answers.. They are no more than correct the *religious* folk.. They have brought many many many great things to our world... But, they do have their downfalls.. I can go on and on about huge scientific blunders.. We know them all. Yes, I am aware that it is a process. But there are other scientific folks out there who do have their own scientific proof as well. Ya need to check out GLEN ROSE TEXAS, AND DINASAUR VALLEY and etc.... Visit and check out their evidence... Why stop with one scientic field and just accept their TRUTHS... To debate this you need ALL scientific proofs... And, there ARE so many of them.. I also think that you and oh so many other folks are stuck with the WORD *religion* . Religion is politics.. God doesn`t care what religion you are. He doen`t care if you eat meat on friday or kiss the Popes ring, and etc.. That is all man-made political Christian garbage.. All that God says is to love one another and to believe that Jesus is your saviour... BY THE WAY,, There are over 600 different sources (records) (non-religious) that back up everything ABOUT Jesus and the works that he did... Now the question here is???? So, I believe in God, Thus I go to Heaven. And If There is no God or Heaven,,,, Then ok, I was duped..((NO BIG DEAL HUH??)) BUT, WHAT IF THERE IS???? HMMMM, I THINK I`LL TAKE THE DUPED PATH... I can`t find anything in Hell that interests me.. REAL OR NOT...
you said,,
Tell me what is better, honestly: to be mostly right, and getting righter, or to be totally, eternally, unchangingly wrong?
Honestly, I`d rather be wrong and believe,, AND be duped,, than to find out that there REALLY is a horrendous hell.. By the way, Science has NOT provided proof, that there is no God or Hell or Heaven, either..... So, I don`t think I can follow that path with out proof either...
P.S. Religion does change, by the way. With each generation and between different churches, it changes... I mean, Gay folks go to church now... UN-heard of 50 years ago.. You use to, could not, eat meat, on Friday, if you was Catholic.. Oh, and lets not forget can`t dance, can`t wear make up, can`t wear shorts, blah, blah, blah... I can go on and on... You are confusing religion,, with God... that is all God asks of you.. All the rest of that is Baptist, Catholic, Methodist and etc. creed, rules and regulations, to be part of their group, Has nothing to do with GOD... Churches have gone so far AWAY from what they are suppose to be doing.. I see hardly any churches MINISTERING to the needy... Minister is a verb as well... All they care about is how can they get in your pocket... That is not at all what God says for his churches to do... RELIGION IS NOT GOD>>>>
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jantoo1
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Message 98 of 157 (71602)
12-08-2003 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Coragyps
12-08-2003 1:47 PM


Re: Evolution
I don`t care. It is up to YOU to school Yourself... I don`t have to teach you anything. I`m not your Momma. If you want to know,go find it yourself, like an adult. Then Come back and chat... Until then Hush child...Talk to the hand...

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jantoo1
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Message 99 of 157 (71604)
12-08-2003 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by NosyNed
12-08-2003 1:45 PM


Re: Evolution
prehistoric fish - Google Search
Try this children...
This is so simple and you want to talk to me like you are somebody oh so special.. where do you get off with that attitude??? I don`t care if you talk to me or not, I can back up my words, now how about some of you and all your little buddies giving me some proof..... I hear nothing from you about your PROOF.. Hmmmm, imagine that... AGAIN, I SAY. I AM NOT YOUR MOMMA,TEACHER OR GURU,, GET YOUR OWN PROOF. YOU DEMAND MINE.. WHERE IS YOURS???? Now, instead of flopping your lips,, where is your proof???? I need proof from you now. OR,, I can`t talk to you, or your little friends...What a crappy attitude... You are SOOO amazing... What are you??? Keeper of the forum????

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jantoo1
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Message 100 of 157 (71605)
12-08-2003 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Dan Carroll
12-08-2003 1:40 PM


Re: Evolution
WHAT FACTS DID YOU SHOW? I SAW NO FACTS FROM YOU, OR ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS FORUM. JUST A BUNCH OF HOT AIR.. GIVE ME FACTS. I LIKE FACTS.. I`M WAITING. FORK THEM OVER.. THIS IS FUN.. Waiting to hear from you...

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Dan Carroll
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Message 101 of 157 (71609)
12-08-2003 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by jantoo1
12-08-2003 2:24 PM


Re: Evolution
THE FACT IS THAT YOU ARE MISINFORMED. I HAVE NO NEED TO BACK UP MY FACTS WITH "ELABORATION" OR "AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT OF SOME SORT". GO TO GOOGLE IF YOU NEED TO DO RESEARCH ON WHY YOU ARE SO MISINFORMED.
[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 12-08-2003]

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Primordial Egg
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Message 102 of 157 (71610)
12-08-2003 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by jantoo1
12-08-2003 2:21 PM


Re: Evolution
quote:
prehistoric fish - Google Search
Try this children...
The first site is about Doctor Octopus casting a net for prehistoric fish (featured fish is hybodus.
Are you saying that Doctor Octopus agrees with you?
Should scientists be worried?
PE

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Dan Carroll
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Message 103 of 157 (71611)
12-08-2003 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Primordial Egg
12-08-2003 2:50 PM


Re: Evolution
quote:
Should scientists be worried?
Only the ones that laughed at Dr. Octopus when he presented his theories on mechanical arms. Because they'll pay. THEY'LL ALL PAY!

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Brian
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Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 104 of 157 (71613)
12-08-2003 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by jantoo1
12-08-2003 1:21 PM


Re: Evolution
Hi,
Is my spewing, any more GARBAGE, that your spewings ,,,, I wonder????
You are the one making the claims Jantoo, you really need to support what you are saying instead of empty statements.
You couldn`t even come up with a debate.
You have to give Asgara something to debate against Jantoo, what is it that you posted that had any substance to it for her to consider?
I have no need to back up what I say.
You don't? So why expect other people to back up what they say?
WHY NOT DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH BEFORE YOU ACT LIKE YOU`RE, ALL THAT AND THEN SOME
You expect people to do your research for you? You posted the unsupported claims you do the research yourself!
I HAVE MY DEGREE,
I would be interested to know what 'you're' degree is in, I am betting it isn't in English Lit.
Maybe, you should so (sic) a little more DIGGING INTO FACTS
Facts, what is a fact?
I can back up my words... Can you????? Try using Google, They are sure TO CONNECT YOU WITH THIS INFO. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE WORLD WIDE...HMMMM.. SUCH A SMALL WORLD YOU ALL LIVE IN..
All these arguments have been refuted, search Google a few dozen times until you find the proof. Sounds unreasonable doesn't it?
Brian.

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Quetzal
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Posts: 3228
Joined: 01-09-2002


Message 105 of 157 (71614)
12-08-2003 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by jantoo1
12-08-2003 2:21 PM


Re: Evolution
DNFTT

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