Immigration issues

Oh, so you weren't asking if we had ever heard of someone going to prison for "sales tax evasion." Which is strange, because that's exactly what you typed.Three words, NJ. "I was wrong." They won't kill you, honest.

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

Come to think of it, we don't know that it wouldn't kill nj. You remember the episode of Happy Days where Fonzie tried to say he was wrong, and the pain that it caused him?Maybe nj is the Fonz, only more so, and admitting error would actually kill him.Perhaps we oughta cut him some slack.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Maybe that's the problem... he's been typing his posts, instead of just thumping the side of his computer and saying, "Ayyyyy."

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

I am truly amazed at how some people cannot see the current and future problems resulting from an unrestricted flow of uneducated, non-English-speaking, law-breaking people from unsuccessful cultures that have problems with corruption. If anything, I would have guessed that liberals would be opposed to the invasion of more Catholics who have a propensity for large families creating even more Catholics.There are numerous problems with the invasion on the Southern border.
The biggest problem, IMO, is the overwhelming numbers that will require more cost from taxpayers than they contribute for mucho decades to come. We already see this in Texas with health care and education. The costs will increase with successive generations, because the illegal immigrants are predominantly high-school dropouts, and once in the USA, the second and third generations are not as hard-working and not pulling their own weight. They are not learning English, because they don't have to. There is a high proportion of out-of-wedlock births, and the single moms are on the welfare dole.The illegals comprise many criminals, too. Drug-smuggling and organized crime is running rampant.To say that the illegals are paying taxes is missing the point. They do not pay all types of taxes nor come close to paying a share that breaks even with the costs of health, education, social services, etc.This has nothing to do with racism, and has everything to do with killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.You will see the struggle to get out of recessions in the future will be harder and harder. I hope you all are saving $$$ for the future, because you will need it for you and increasing taxes.

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'Liberalism is a mental disorder' - Michael Savage

Yeppers. The problem is that Mexicans are, by nature, dumb, corrupt criminals who can't even get a stupid country right. Letting them into this country will make us the same.And, as is noted later in your post, your attitude has nothing to do with racism.People, honestly. Between this thread and the numerous gay marriage threads around here, I feel compelled to point something out. Saying some equivalent of "I'm not a bigot" does not make your statements any less bigoted. Similarly, saying, "My fiancée and I have nightly threesomes with Kristen Bell," does not make it the case, however much I would like it to be. Well, we do hate Catholics. You got us pegged, there. But you forgot to mention how much we hate puppies. And sunshine. And love.Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go shake my fist at the sky in a thunderstorm. That cursed Richards, and his ridiculous family, have escaped yet another of my ingenious traps. Well, as we all know, the Republican party, which has a lock on Texas, is famous for pouring as much money as possible into health care and education. So any problems with the system have to be the fault of immigrants.

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"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

Ah, I see. Well, it is illegal to pull someone over without probable cause. And if the cop actually said that, you or your friend might want to consider reporting that to the Chief of Police. We all know that profiling goes on. But what most cops do if they suspect something awry, they look for some minor thing to pull you over-- say, a broken tail light, going 5-10 miles over the limit, improper lane change-- basically anything in order to make the stop legally. What they are really trying to do is see if you have any warrants or if you have a shady character. Its legal, but it isn't. Anyway, at least the cop could have been a little more slick about it. He sounds too stupid for that kind of work. I think they are concerned with all the borders. Though it is a legitimate argument, there is a bit of a strawman being used there. Yes, terrorists coming through the borders, either border, is a concern. But they shouldn't use that to conflate the issue of terrorism and illegal migration. Both are illegal in their own rights. Everybody is bothered by the politics. Even politicians. Even politicians that don't like the "politics" of politics can't help being sucked in to the vortex. Unfortunately, that's the nature of the beast. I can't handle that nature, which is why I have no aspiration to be a politician. Well, Castro overthrew Batista. Then again, Batista overthrew the government before him. If there were any successful assassinations, I'm not aware of them. As an interesting side note: Batista's son literally lives right across the street from parents house. We didn't really get along because band practice was almost always at my house.... We played hardcore and death metal. I'm sure you can see why we didn't see eye to eye in those days. I don't think we consider it a failure. The only reason they survive today is because they import from European and South American countries. *cough -Venezuela- cough*. The interesting thing about Cuba today is that it looks exactly like it did in the 1950's-60's. Almost every vehicle is a 50's era American car. The reason they don't drive newer cars is because of the embargo and because they don't have the money for decent cars. I don't think he's dead. I checked Wiki to see, but if he did, they haven't updated his death. He's sick and he's old. There's no doubt that he's going to die soon. But last I heard, he's still alive. That's how I feel about it affirmative action. It isn't supposed to be racist, but it is against all parties involved. I agree. Its a tough issue because no one can blame them for just trying to have a better way off the life. The problem is, when populations swell out of control, jobs start evaporating and the economy gets in serious trouble. Its a chain reaction. The Census Bureau projects that if illegal immigration continues as it has been, by 2050 the US population will be 420 million. We're already at 300 million.So who do you blame? Obviously its the people hiring them. Would they stay here if they couldn't find any work? Nope... The problem is those who harbor them. Its not paranoia, its reality. More workers for not enough jobs. Who do the jobs go to? The lowest bidder. Can Americans survive on the wages earned by many illegal households? Nope. Americans can't survive on minimum wage salaries. So how do the Mexicans do it? They often live in communal living conditions. Is that conducive to a healthy lifestyle? I don't think so. Should Americans be forced to change their way of life just to accommodate someone else? Why? This is our home. Imagine Americans coming en masse and just disrespecting someone else's homeland and taking their jobs.Most Americans are very far removed from the way it really is. Until they know what living in the heart of a place like Los Angeles is like, which is a tinderbox, they can't appreciate what it really means. They haven't a clue. They hear about it on CNN and formulate opinions based on the information relayed from them, but this pales in comparison for those who live it every day. New England is the last place that isn't totally inundated by migrant workers. Give it time. It will happen. Migrant workers, both legal and illegal are competing for work. It doesn't matter if they want to. They might have to. There have been times where I've worked some pretty bad jobs because I needed to. When you are in between jobs you have to do what you have to do. Some people have no transferable skills. That's their lot in life, whether they want it or not. Detroit is in very serious trouble as a city, but I attribute that to failing industry and mismanagement. This
article asserts that for the first time in a long time that citizens employment rate is higher than illegal immigrants. Failing industry is also to blame. For instance, if Ford doesn't figure out something soon they're going to go under. In fact, every car sold in 2007 goes to paying off a debt. The entire 2007 catalog is a profit loss. They are buying people out of jobs. That's thousands of Americans out of work who will be competing for work. Ford isn't the only car company suffering major setbacks. Chrysler is now set to let go of a few thousand workers. Of course not. That's another thing that really angers me about the whole situation. They exploit these people. You have to go after the businesses that hire and harbor these men and women because they are abusing them and they have almost the entirety to blame for problems associated with illegal immigration. Companies that do that do this should pay steep fines in order to stem the flow. That's exactly what it is.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

Huh. So an individual Mexican shouldn't be allowed into the United States because he might be a criminal? And because his children might be lazy?And bearded men with Arabic sounding names should be strip searched in airports because they might be terrorists?And black men in Porsches should be pulled over and checked because they might be drug dealers?

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This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

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Kristen Bell

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Sigh. Time for another Google search.

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This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

She plays Veronica Mars.

When one does not own a TV, one quickly loses touch with the pulse of contemporary culture. (Sigh)

Which terrorists are you referring to?AFAIK, all of the 9/11 hijackers entered the USA directly from overseas through your normal visa processes. None of them came through Canada.We have had, that I am aware of, one case where a terrorists attempted to enter from Canada and was apprended at the border near here.

well then somebody's been telling stories, cause i remember all kinds of shit about how canada was letting in the terrorists.

well. he is a cop. i only mention it because it's one of the reasons they use for building the damned wall. i don't mind politics, clearly. i dislike how politicians use excuses to disadvantage people by their race. i was jokingly referring to bay of pigs and kennedy. clearly this is a judgement of how the people are doing. it has not changed the hold of the government. therefore it is a failure. the point of embargos is not to strike the people with poverty to punish them for their leader, it is to aid in the removal of the leader. it has failed. they keep saying he's alive, but i haven't seen him. i won't believe it till i see him. now who's conflating arguments?
also, you probably don't understand how it works. i'm not a huge fan of it, but it doesn't mean you automatically just hire the first minority who applies for the job. it means if a black and a white or a man and a woman apply to the same job and are equally qualified, you opt for the minority. because presumably, people would have ordinarily opted for the white guy. this is a crap argument. there is absolutely no evidence that population rises destroy economies. none. and don't try to whne about how population increase causes poverty. it doesn't. i've researched it. there's no real evidence for it. it's a non-causative relationship. so?my last post suggests that if they were legal, then they'd cost the government more money... at least twice as much. if you're really interested in population control, then the solution is to close the borders and institute birth control policies. but you're not interested in population control. this idea that you have that there are only a certain number of jobs is not supported by reality. more people means more services and goods are needed. more demand means more outlets and that means more jobs. blah blah blah. do you really think that the jobs that illegals take are jobs that americans would have? in this country we have over half of the world's wealth. we can afford to reeducate citizens so they can get better jobs. but they don't want better jobs, they want comfortable and they want to complain about this non-existant wholesale theft of our economy. because it doesn't give the privacy for a husband to properly beat his wife? sorry. just had to. have you ever done migrant farm work? you wanna tell me about how much more you know about this situation than i do. have you ever done migrant farmwork? no, you haven't. and neither has or would most americans. i have. and you really couldn't pay me enough to repeat it. but they will and we need to products they provide through their efforts. if you couldn't get your muffins with maine blueberries, you'd be pretty pissy, i'm sure. do you have any idea what you're talking about? do you think local mainiacs actually work either the blueberry fields or the cranberry bogs? you're more unaware than i thought. migrants work all of it. that's what reeducation is for. being lazy is no excuse for having a shitty job. you are aware that most jobs have training? as well you should. make shitty cars, go out of business.
further, the overaction of the unions up there made it unbearably expensive. unions are great. i love them. but when they're not interested in making conditions better, but leeching out money, you have a serious problem. after making $60 an hour and throwing it away on boats and shit, i'm sure they could stand to get a real job. how about they get a degree and go teach. everyone keeps talking about job shortages. i say, there's an unconscionable teacher shortage. how about we move some people from ford to detroit's inner city schools?so you agree with me that the problem is businesses? and yet we're all supposed to trust the policies the republicans come up with? oh great. nothing like feeding the problem by supporting the business party. jesus.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

also, by taking out the income taxes for their illegals and paying them, the businesses can easily claim and have some evidence to prove that they did not know the person's illegal status. it helps cover the company's ass.

if i weren't spoken for, i'd be sending many obscene propositions your way. happy valentine's day.