Evidence of Jesus in the entire bible.

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I think that it is intended to be about a future (to the writer) King of Israel. One that actually sits on the throne. So it certainly isn't about Jesus in his life on Earth.

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"...and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."A king wouldn't be referred to as a God. This shows that they are talking about the Messiah. The part about the throne I feel to be symbolic.------------------
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Well it talks about someone who is actually ruling so I don't see how the throne could be purely symbolic. Moreover it's in the middle of a section talking about the Assyrian conquest of Israel - you might think that it had some relevance to that - if you folow Iasiah 10-11 it appears that this will happen immediately following the defeat of Assyria, and we see that this King will lead Israel on a campaign of oncquering the immediate region (Isaiah 11:14)

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Nope. The passage refers to one that would establish a government:

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Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

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Jesus didn't do this. There is no government of Jesus.

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"It also describes the conquests of the Messiah:

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Isaiah 9:1: Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.

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Jesus didn't do this, either.

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Yes, Isaiah foretells a Messiah.

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But Jesus does not fulfill the prophecy.

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The Bible Talks about JESUS AS KING.

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BIBLICAL PROPHECY FORETOLD THAT JESUS WOULD BE KING.
ISAIAH 9:7 "Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no
end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and
establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."
LUKE 1:32 "He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and
the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David."
ACTS 2:30 "Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with
an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He
would raise up the Christ to sit on his (David's) throne,..."
(There will be an earthly kingdom, a government, and Jesus will sit on
David's throne.

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JESUS ANNOUNCED HIS KINGSHIP WHEN HE ENTERED JERUSALEM AS KING ACCORDING TO
ZECHARIAH'S PROPHECY.
Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of
Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having
salvation, lowly and riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey."
MATTHEW 21:5 "Tell the daughter of Zion, 'Behold, your King is coming to
you, lowly, and sitting on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey.' "

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THE PEOPLE RECOGNIZED THAT JESUS WAS OF THE LINE OF DAVID AND QUALIFIED TO
BE KING. ALL ISRAEL KEPT GENEALOGICAL (FAMILY) RECORDS.
1 CHRONICLES 9:1 "So all Israel was recorded by genealogies,...."

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MATTHEW 9:27 "When Jesus departed from there, two blind men followed
Him,crying out and saying, "Son of David, have mercy on us!"
MATTHEW 12:23 "And all the multitudes were amazed and said, "Could this be
the Son of David?"

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BUT FOR JESUS TO BE KING, A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE FAMILY LINE HAD TO BE
RESOLVED.

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THE PROBLEM:
1. Christ must be born of a virgin.
2. Christ must have the legal right to David's throne.
3. Christ must be of the fruit of David's body.

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But there was a complication:
Jeconiah, an evil man and in David's line, was told that none of his
descendants were to rule in Judah. Then how was Christ, following in
David's line, to be a ruling king since the right to
the throne was only through the male line?

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WITH GOD NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE:
1. Christ was born of the virgin Mary.
2. The legal right to David's throne came through Joseph, husband of Mary,
step-father to Jesus.
3. Jesus was of the fruit of David's body through Mary. Mary was of the
line of David through Nathan. So Mary was in David's line.
So Jesus had the legal right to the throne through Joseph and was of the
fruit of David through Mary. The marriage of Joseph and Mary was
essentialand necessary for all requirements to be met for Jesus to be king.

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THIS SOLUTION ALSO SATISFIED GOD'S PROMISE TO DAVID:
PSALM 132:11 The LORD has sworn in truth to David; He will not turn from
it: "I will set upon your throne the fruit of your body."

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ALTHOUGH JESUS IS KING, HE IS NOT YET A RULING KING.
MARK 16:19 "So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up
into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God."
(Jesus is at God's right hand, not on the throne. So Jesus is not yet a
reigning King).

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AT THE PRESENT TIME JESUS IS IN HEAVEN AS OUR PRIEST AND MEDIATOR.
(See BT# 55, "Our Mediator.")

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JESUS WAS A PROPHET ON EARTH, NOW A PRIEST IN HEAVEN, AND WILL SOON BE A
KING ON EARTH. (See BT# 36, "The Millenium."
ISAIAH 9:6 "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the
government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful,
Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
ISAIAH 11:4 "....but with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and decide
with equity for the meek of the earth; He shall strike the earth with the
rod of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked."
MICAH 4:3 "He shall judge between many peoples, and rebuke strong nations
afar off; they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears
into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither
shall they learn war any more."

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(Above quote from eztech.com)I think that thoroughly explains it, Jesus is to reign as a government king on earth. That part of the prophecy is soon to come during end times. Many think the prophecy foretells of Hezziekah the king. First of all he wouldn't be referred to with such titles of everlasting father or mighty God, secondly his reign was limited to Judah. Verse 7 shows that It can't be Hezziekah just by the description of the reign.
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Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [2] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."Where is Jesus in this text?You seem guilty of the very offence that you accuse others of, i.e. not reading and/or undertsanding the Bible.I know you are still very young but a little exegesis on the texts that you are quoting wouldn't go amiss.Brian

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Where is Jesus in this text?

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Then God said, "Let US make man in our image, in OUR likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [2] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."..... the trinity my friend. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
When God says US and OUR he is referring to himself and others obviously God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

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You seem guilty of the very offence that you accuse others of, i.e. not reading and/or undertsanding the Bible.

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Well I did accuse Rrhain once but I found out I was wrong.
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HI,The book of Genesis is a Jewish text, they do not believe in the trinity so who can it be referring to?Are you sure that US and OUR are in fact indicating a plural here?Have a look into it before you answer, keep in mind that the Book of Genesis is a Jewish text, and that the word for God here is 'Elohim'.Brian.

OK. Uh huh. Oh my! Scandal! OK. God fixes it. Wait a minute. Jesus announces that he is king. The people recognize his right. But he can't become king because there's a problem with his pedigree? Never mind. God fixes that. Yes? Well. Maybe not. Jesus still can't be king. How embarrassing for him, after announcing it and all. He only gets to be a prophet. Graduates to priest after he's dead. But, someday, he will be king. Yes? Have I got it right now? OK. Now I get it. He's the king who isn't the king.Yeah. Me too. db------------------
Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?

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Define "soon."
That drivel has played like a broken record for the past 2000 years.

Soon equals before this generation passes, or some people who read this message will still be alive, and before you can walk through all the cities in Israel Jesus will return.That is soon.On the other hand...... LOLBrian

He may come at any time, maybe an hour from now or another 2000 years from now, noone knows for sure.------------------
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You said he would rule soon, an hour is soon but how can 2000 years be soon?I thnk theres has to come a time when we realise that Jesus simply wasn't the messiah, we can make excuses for him until the cows come home, he may have been a nice guy but the was no messiah.Brian.[This message has been edited by Brian, 08-23-2003]

I don't know Brian, I kind of like his definition of soon........I'll get that project done soon....
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I thnk theres has to come a time when we realise that Jesus simply wasn't the messiah, we can make excuses for him until the cows come home, he may have been a nice guy but the was no messiah.

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