Time, light and pi.

There does appear to me to be a way to circumvent time in the reverse direction. It is observed in nature that light travels in all directions at once at the the speed of light, this means, that the order of light at it's essence is a perfect circle (where pi repeats itself). This can be observed in nature by looking at a streetlight in the fog where you see a three dimensional globe of light radiating outward.Therefore, the accepted formulation of pi has always been an attempt to calculate it in 2 dimensions (1.618).As we know, light travels at about 186,000 mps...but NOT in one "single" direction.This is important because, the velocity of light relative to pi is incalcuable, or is it? I submit that it's possible that pi repeats itself at the speed of light traveling in 3 dimensions. This would mean light travels in an infintesimal curve...but in a curve. It is given that gravity has an effect on this curve, or is gravity indeed creating this curve from the center of the universe or to lesser degree, blackholes and/or galaxies.Postulations?1st edit- changed; "MPH" to "MPS" for speed of light.
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Apolagies,
AllenThis message has been edited by Rocket, 07-19-2004 12:12 AM

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I do not think there's a single sentence in your post that I understand. Pi in two or three dimensions? Pi repeating itself? Speed of light relative to Pi? Could you please explain?And by the way, Pi is about 3.1415926. You were closer before you edited.This message has been edited by fnord, 07-19-2004 03:13 AM

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I think you are referring to phi, which is 1.618.

Yeah, I had to read it about 15 times to fully get it too. Then it finally hit me, and I think I understand what you might be getting at. but as for any conclusion, maybe light does travel in a slight curve. However, probably so slight that any gravitational anomaly would throw it way out of balance. This could probably stop your efforts to time travel.. Although that's just an idea, so....

Hey fnord, your earth is rotating the wrong way.

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As we know, light travels at about 186,000 mps...but NOT in one "single" direction.

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But photons, the particles that make up light, do travel in one single direction. The intensity of light is due to the concentration of photons striking your retina or the device you are measuring with. The wave function of light can also be made to travel in one direction and coherently, otherwise known as LASER light. Lasers do move in one direction. The only way we are able to observe a laser is when it is directed off course by a particle suspended in air (unless it is beamed directly to your retina, just don't try it at home).

Laser light is man made and not a naturally occurring phenomena.

Thanks, I screwed up, I keep doing that with pi and I don't where 3.714 is even coming from...it's driving me crazy.

It's all just a theory. Based on observation, light must travel in a three dimensional globe (it leaves the source at the same rate from all points, logic follows that it is not a linear event (we tend to think of it in linear terms becuase it is used a measure of distance over time)...but we know this isn't the case, if you walk around a light bulb, it doesn't go dark on the side you can't see (or does it?).There has been long standing attempts to find at which point and out to how many decimal places before Pi repeats (where does a circle overlap itself). The japanese have been runnning it on super computers for years and haven't found it. My postulation is that they won't in a two dimensional model. In a three dimensional it's possible but an order of magnitude more difficult...but I think may be simplified by anchoring it mathematically to the speed of light.Anyway, it's kind of fascinating to think about...I don't know that it means antthing.

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Laser light is man made and not a naturally occurring phenomena.

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My point was that laser light is proof that light CAN travel in one direction, an coherently. Omni-directional light propagation is not an inherent property of light but rather a property of how it is produced in nature. The same properties you apply to light could also be applied to the vectors of matter escaping an explosion at zero g's in a vacuum, ignoring the effects of momentum and assuming uniform velocity at t=0. The same effect could apply to alpha particles escaping a nuclear blast.Also, you forgot about refraction through a non-vacuum. This effects the light path outside of the effects of gravity.Added in edit:

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There has been long standing attempts to find at which point and out to how many decimal places before Pi repeats (where does a circle overlap itself).

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Why must pi repeat? Pi is the ratio of the radius to the circumference. I don't see why a ratio should repeat itself even if it is describing a circle.This message has been edited by Loudmouth, 07-19-2004 05:43 PM

Yes, but these have very little to do with the postulation about how light typically behaves in nature. When you see light immenating from a star, do you assume that it is only traveling from that star at 186,000mps TOWARDS you?...of course not, it is ALSO traveling at 186,000mps AWAY from you at the same time...

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Yes, but these have very little to do with the postulation about how light typically behaves in nature.

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I thought I made my point clear. The fact that light goes out in all directions from a point has nothing to do with the property of light itself, but how the light is produced. For instance, a photoluminescent chemical reaction that occurs on a reflective, metallic surface will only propagate light in a "half-globe" fashion. And excited cyrstals or gases in laser lights . . . anyway, you get the idea. The "time control" aspect your spoke of earlier has nothing to do with the property of light, persay, but instead the property of the process that created the light.

Don't be to hasty. in ALL the cases you've cited, there is an "attempt to control the direction of light, but it is never complete control...light has a property of dispersion...even a powerful laser looses it's hold on photons over a distance...the diameter and intensity of a laser beam drops significantly in intensity over distance. The photoluminescent "half globe", is only so within and immediate range, still the light follows the it's charactristic dispersion.As for time, It's my postulation that if the curve that light evidently travels in can be circumvented (a linear path through it), it's possible to travel faster than the speed of light without violating relativity.

Hey, little brother, good to see you here. Saw something about Hawkin and black holes, they must have let him outta jail (LOL)
Everything in nature is cyclical. Gramma said.
Easy, bud
George