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Author Topic:   What religious rights, if any, are currently being eroded in the USA?
IrishRockhound
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Message 181 of 228 (109019)
05-18-2004 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by Cold Foreign Object
05-17-2004 4:23 PM


Sorry about butting in here guys, but speaking as a non-American...
Thank the gods I live in a country that's short on fundamentalists.
Willow, I have a few questions... do you realise what kind of impression you're giving here? You're making every other intelligent American on the board look like a fool.
Also, as far as I know, the Founding Fathers just wanted religious equality seeing as they were fleeing religious persecution. (I thought that was the whole point of whichever Constitutional thing gives you freedom of religion). Religious equality automatically means that they couldn't favour any religion over another, so to keep it simple they invented the separation of Church and State. Am I right so far? So the state cannot even endorse the religion that may have created it, because it must maintain religious equality. It's got nothing to do with atheism - atheism isn't even a religion so technically it is entirely irrelevent, simply because there is nothing for the State to 'protect'. The State is not being hostile to Christianity - it's simply being impartial, as it should be to all religions and that's exactly what the Founding Fathers seemed to have wanted.
You sound like a complete paranoid in your post. There is no 'atheist agenda', unless you think you can prove otherwise. And what the hell is 'god sense'? I have 'god sense' in that I believe in a god - I just don't believe in YOUR god. So am I part of the 'atheist agenda'?
You also sound totally arrogant and intolerant. So Christians are the true religion and only TOLERATE other religions in THEIR country? That the apostasy will end with a 'Great Tribulation' (Apocalypse?) and Christians will rule the world and 'rectify' all the nonsense of these other religions?!?
If you really believe this rubbish that you insist on spouting, you are no Christian. Turn the other cheek, love thy neighbour; the whole message of peace and love preached by your Messiah - and you ignore it in favour of hatred and war. You sicken me, WillowTree - you call yourself a Christian, but you find it so much easier to hate rather than understand; worst of all, you don't even realise how wrong it is.
The Rock Hound

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MonkeyBoy
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Message 182 of 228 (109022)
05-18-2004 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by Cold Foreign Object
05-17-2004 4:51 PM


Your outrage due to a cross or Ten commanment display perfectly demostrates my claim that you are stripped of God sense/controlled by demons.
I agree with jar, and if anyone is demonstrating being controlled by demons, I think it is you. After reading your posts in just this thread alone, you appear to me to be a lonely, bitter and miserable person, desperately clinging to religion; not because it makes you a more forgiving and happier person, but because you are obsessed with revenge. You want your god to smite the people that have wronged you, disagreed with you or even questioned you.
It seems to me, that you are a sad little man.
I'll pray for you.
(Sorry admins for drifting off topic, but stating someone is controlled by demons just because they differ in opinion is wrong.)
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JonF
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Message 183 of 228 (109042)
05-18-2004 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Cold Foreign Object
05-17-2004 4:23 PM


The writers of the Contract did not intend for this to happen. They did not intend for atheists to hijack the interpretation of the Contract by their philosophical friends in the Courts. It was christian light that created the Constituition, we TOLERATE other religions and perspectives and rights, but the apparatus that we created is now suddenly being used to say that the God of the Bible is being "endorsed" which violates the First Amendment.
If a cross/ten commandment display endorses christianity then so fucking what. Our ideals and blood started this country and we will not allow the misuse of logic and law to adjudicate hatred against the God who empowered this nation to exist. This is not a matter of opinion. The framers were christians and their writings prove it. Dishonest atheists come along and insult everyones intelligence by this rhetoric of how christians/Founding Fathers really intended for atheism to be the constitutionally protected religion; the religion of no religion/anything but the God of the Bible.
Wow.
Thank God for the Founding Fathers who wrote our Constitution specifically to protect us from people like you.
Of course, all that you say is wrong.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 184 of 228 (109043)
05-18-2004 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Cold Foreign Object
05-17-2004 4:23 PM


quote:
It was christian light that created the Constituition
I've noticed that every time you talk about the founding fathers, you misspell "deist". It's D-E-I-S-T, not C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N.
quote:
When the Great Trib is over we will rectify all this nonsense wholesale and there is nothing you can do about it.
I prefer the Sun-Times to the Trib, myself. Their bias is more obvious, and more easily weeded out.

"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"
-Holly

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DBlevins
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Message 185 of 228 (109057)
05-18-2004 3:23 PM


Talk about Hate
Is it just me or does WT's posts seem filled with the Hate he accuses others of? I mean look at the language, the vitriol. The scariest thing is that WT professes to be a Christian person.
hmmm...right

  
Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 186 of 228 (109060)
05-18-2004 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by IrishRockhound
05-18-2004 11:35 AM


As I previously stated and I will say it again. Here we have a debater that plays the hate card. Nevermind that I protested the hatred of Law against the Founding Fathers and the God of the Bible - this debater remains a one sided hate monger hating no one except the God of the Bible and His people.
IrishRockhound quote:
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Turn the other cheek, love thy neighbour; the whole message of peace and love preached by your Messiah
______________________________________________________________________
You think you know what this means Hound ? You think you can hijack scripture which you don't believe in and use it against me ? Why don't you dazzle me with your Biblical exegesis and break down this verse and the truths contained therein ?
You wouldn't know a true christain if you had a gun to your head. Your view of a true christian makes them past muster with your subjective opinion/Satan's world frame.
Hound, I am intensely waiting to read your explanation of the Sermon on the Mount AND its interpretation.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 187 of 228 (109063)
05-18-2004 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by MonkeyBoy
05-18-2004 11:58 AM


Looks like I struck a nerve.
What hypocrisy "I'll pray for you.....then a string of insults".
Why don't you refute what I said or is it that you are too ignorant ?
The Bible declares that everyone is born demon controlled UNTIL they respond to God's love and break free via the power of the gospel. You and your kind are so deceived as to the truth that the Bible declares.
The irony of your avatar and the absolute belief that you think you are alright is evidence of your state of being deceived.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 188 of 228 (109064)
05-18-2004 3:48 PM


The hatred of the God of the Bible is the issue here. Look at all the pseudo intellectuals/christians come out of the woodwork and demonstrate exactly what I said: Demom controlled, hating the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Joseph.
All you can do is deflect away from the subject and manifest your hate by smearing someone with a "hate" label.

  
MonkeyBoy
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Message 189 of 228 (109079)
05-18-2004 4:32 PM
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05-18-2004 3:40 PM


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MonkeyBoy
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Message 190 of 228 (109080)
05-18-2004 4:33 PM
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05-18-2004 3:40 PM


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MonkeyBoy
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Message 191 of 228 (109081)
05-18-2004 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Cold Foreign Object
05-18-2004 3:40 PM


Hahahahaha! !
What hypocrisy "I'll pray for you.....then a string of insults".
Actually, I insulted you first, then I said I'd pray, but I won't. I imagine that god will try to deal with you in his own way.
How can I refute the wollowing? They are mere assertions:
The ACLU are the Taliban.
Christian prayer rooms would send them into a demonic frenzy.
Enjoy while you can because the spiritual millenium will usher in the removal of your kind from having any power.
The Bible declares that everyone is born demon controlled UNTIL they respond to God's love and break free via the power of the gospel. You and your kind are so deceived as to the truth that the Bible declares.
lol! My kind? Is that the same kind that Noah took aboard the ark? I do not think that I am demon controlled, since I do not even believe in them.
The irony of your avatar and the absolute belief that you think you are alright is evidence of your state of being deceived.
I do not think that I have an "absolute belief" that I am alright; whatever that means. I am not sure that I am correct at all; that is part of the journey. To discover and find out the nature and god.
As far as my avatar, are aware of the fact that it is just a picture?!? Yeah, it's me, but I intentionally messed it up, artistic expression. But I'll change it, just for you.
Enjoy!
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Trixie
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Message 192 of 228 (109088)
05-18-2004 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Cold Foreign Object
05-17-2004 6:42 PM


No Willowtree, you don't get away with that!!!
I imagine that his outrage was due to the fact that someone who declares their Christianity from the rooftops and goes out of their way to make out that they're the only true Christian on the board, can post messages so full of hatred to their fellow Christians and fellow humans. I know that's what got me going - the sheer hypocrisy where you claim to follow the teachings of Jesus to love your fellow man, yet seem to glorify in their eternal damnation. Thank the Lord that God will make the decisions himself without any input from you. If Jesus had preached the way you do, they would have crucified him three years earlier!
Yes, Willowtree, I'm against hate of all sorts. I'm against hatred of God, but there's not much I can do about that in this world at the present time when people like you do more damage to the image of the Christian God in a single post than Satan could manage in an eternity.
Calm down and go back and read over your posts. Forget you wrote them and try to see the impression they give. Maybe then you'll understand the outrage that many on here feel, Christian, agnostic and atheist.
By the way what's this about?
How many of you god damn hypocrites screamed foul when a hate monger pissed in bottle/stuck a cross in it and got paid with federal monies.

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coffee_addict
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From: Indianapolis, IN
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Message 193 of 228 (109091)
05-18-2004 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Cold Foreign Object
05-17-2004 6:42 PM


WT writes:
If this has been done then it is the refuge of the defeated. How many of you god damn hypocrites screamed foul when a hate monger pissed in bottle/stuck a cross in it and got paid with federal monies. You all are not against hate - you are only against certain expressions of perceived hate.
Care to elaborate?

The Laminator

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PaulK
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Message 194 of 228 (109092)
05-18-2004 5:15 PM
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05-18-2004 4:33 PM


Re: Hahahahaha! !
Of course the ACLU is for civil liberties - while the Taliban and Willowtree are very much against them.
And of course Willowtree doesn't have a clue what the ACLU really do:
This for instance:
http://www.freep.com/news/education/utica12_20040512.htm

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jar
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Message 195 of 228 (109097)
05-18-2004 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Cold Foreign Object
05-17-2004 4:51 PM


All things dull and ug-ly,
All creatures, short and squat,
All things rude and na-sty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their prudish venom,
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid,
Who made the spiky urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!
All things scant and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
Amen.
Sorry, the demon made me do it.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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