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riVeRraT
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Message 16 of 53 (566978)
06-28-2010 11:40 PM
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06-23-2010 5:32 PM


"Taq" writes:
Anyone else?
Yea, change the uniforms, put padding, and helmets, use an oblong stitched ball, and get rid of the nets, and have more contact, and call it football.
Oh wait, nm, we got the NFL.
Seriously, I've tried to like soccer, I just can't. I like so many sports, just not soccer. I mean I respect it, and would actually like to play it (I've tried) but I can't watch it on TV, like golf, and hockey. Those sports are so much better when played.
One thing they could do is shove all the horns down the people throats who blow them. So annoying.
Maybe if they let them beat the crap out of each other, it might be more interesting. They should make a cross of football, rugby, hockey, soccer, and WWF. The fans are more rowdy than the players.
can you imagine a player getting checked in soccer? lol

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Huntard
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Message 17 of 53 (566987)
06-29-2010 3:59 AM
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06-28-2010 11:40 PM


riVeRraT writes:
One thing they could do is shove all the horns down the people throats who blow them. So annoying.
Don't know if you're aware of this, but that is a South Africa thing, not a soccer thing.
Just thought I'd point it out.

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Taq
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Message 18 of 53 (567028)
06-29-2010 10:56 AM
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06-28-2010 11:40 PM


One thing they could do is shove all the horns down the people throats who blow them. So annoying.
Unfortunately, annoying noise makers are not limited to South Africa. I like to go watch the local minor league hockey team once in a while and I always seem to sit right in front of the guy with the cow bell. Penalty kills suck. And don't even get me started on people jingling their keys.
I find the horns annoying as well, but its not my place to tell the host nation how to be a spectator. I'm sure that future decisions on hosting nations will look at local customs more closely.

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Modulous
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Message 19 of 53 (567029)
06-29-2010 11:09 AM


Anglo-Americanised circa 1992
I loved that show.

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caffeine
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Message 20 of 53 (567032)
06-29-2010 11:24 AM
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06-29-2010 11:09 AM


...and circa 2004

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 21 of 53 (567043)
06-29-2010 12:22 PM
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06-29-2010 3:59 AM


vuvuzelas!!!!
riVeRraT writes:
One thing they could do is shove all the horns down the people throats who blow them. So annoying.

Don't know if you're aware of this, but that is a South Africa thing, not a soccer thing.
Just thought I'd point it out.
What I used to think of Africa:
What I now think of Africa:

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Blue Jay
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Message 22 of 53 (567267)
06-30-2010 11:50 AM
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06-23-2010 5:32 PM


Hi, Taq.
Taq writes:
1. Change offsides to an offside line like it is in ice hockey. No offensive player can enter the offensive zone until the ball has crossed the line. After that, offensive players can be anywhere within the offensive zone regardless of where the ball or defensive players are.
I think offsides works just fine the way they have it. I think they could just stop calling it once the ball is inside the big goal box: that's when all the controversial calls happen, and I think it would improve the chances to see more scoring.
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Taq writes:
2. Stealing from hockey once again, if someone is actively playing the ball you can hit them with your body. No elbows or blows with the feet, but a good body check is legal.
This would just make soccer stupid.
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Taq writes:
Unlimited substitutions during a stoppage in play.
Why restrict it to stoppages? Why not just have substitutions on the fly?
Edited by Bluejay, : No reason given.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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AZPaul3
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Message 23 of 53 (567327)
06-30-2010 4:15 PM
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06-28-2010 11:40 PM


can you imagine a player getting checked in soccer?
Checked?
How about red dogged, tackled, hi and lo'ed, cross hatched, creamed, crumpled, smashed, buried, smothered, ground in, sacked, pinned, stomped ...
God I can't wait for August!

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caffeine
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Message 24 of 53 (567409)
07-01-2010 3:44 AM
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06-30-2010 11:50 AM


I think offsides works just fine the way they have it. I think they could just stop calling it once the ball is inside the big goal box: that's when all the controversial calls happen, and I think it would improve the chances to see more scoring.
This still leaves the game open to goal-hanging, though, which is the very thing the offside rule is supposed to prevent.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 25 of 53 (567411)
07-01-2010 4:41 AM
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07-01-2010 3:44 AM


This still leaves the game open to goal-hanging, though, which is the very thing the offside rule is supposed to prevent.
While you're talking about offside, what do you think of my idea that it should not be possible to be offside directly from a free-kick?
Do you think it could work?
It's the only dead ball situation where you can be offside, but surely it should be one where you get most advantage.
There's nothing more anoying than seeing your team start an attack, have a player fouled, then when you take the free-kick the team that committed the foul all step forward and catch your team offside, and the team that committed the original foul end up getting their own free-kick.
If you couldn't be offside direct from a free-kick, your players could run into any position on the pitch to receive the ball, which would open the game up and increase the chances of scoring. And it would also help discourage players from committing a foul in the first place.
It would also make the referees' job easier as it would be one less circumstance where they are required to make a judgement over offside.

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caffeine
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Message 26 of 53 (567426)
07-01-2010 7:47 AM
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07-01-2010 4:41 AM


While you're talking about offside, what do you think of my idea that it should not be possible to be offside directly from a free-kick?
I don't like it. It'd only really make a difference for free kicks nearer to the centre of the pitch, and encourages crappy long-ball punting - I'd prefer to see more skillful goals. If your free kick is too far to shoot from and you don't want to give the opposition a free kick back, then just don't try and play it past the defence immediately. You haven't lost much except a bit fo momentum - if you were through on goal when fouled the opposition should have already suffered for the offence through a booking.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 27 of 53 (567444)
07-01-2010 9:19 AM
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07-01-2010 7:47 AM


JUC:
While you're talking about offside, what do you think of my idea that it should not be possible to be offside directly from a free-kick?
caffeine:
I don't like it. It'd only really make a difference for free kicks nearer to the centre of the pitch, and encourages crappy long-ball punting - I'd prefer to see more skillful goals. If your free kick is too far to shoot from and you don't want to give the opposition a free kick back, then just don't try and play it past the defence immediately. You haven't lost much except a bit fo momentum - if you were through on goal when fouled the opposition should have already suffered for the offence through a booking.
I take your points. The thing that really annoys me though is that the momentum is lost. The defence gets back behind the ball and then get a chance to step forward and get their own free-kick, when they've done nothing to deserve it. On reflection, I think the biggest problem with my idea is that the defence will do all they can to delay the free-kick by standing over the ball, so that it can't be passed quickly to a player in an advanced "offside" position. A better option might be to stop players delaying the taking of the free-kick, but for some inexplicable reason the officials have never had the strength to enforce the rules in that respect the way that they do in rugby.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 28 of 53 (567446)
07-01-2010 9:34 AM


I think the Pitch should be shrunk down to the size of a football field, then you have great soccer pitches all over the place, and with a smaller area hopefully more action.

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Larni
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Message 29 of 53 (567450)
07-01-2010 9:40 AM
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07-01-2010 9:34 AM


The problem with that is that the goalies would punt the ball right into the box every time.
Just look at the long punt goalie caused goal England let in against Germany; and that was on a 'normal' sized pitch.
That every goal kick. The only skills would be punting from the goal line, heading and vollies...
Edited by Larni, : foul play

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Blue Jay
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Message 30 of 53 (567461)
07-01-2010 9:54 AM
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07-01-2010 3:44 AM


Hi, Caffeine.
caffeine writes:
Bluejay writes:
I think offsides works just fine the way they have it. I think they could just stop calling it once the ball is inside the big goal box: that's when all the controversial calls happen, and I think it would improve the chances to see more scoring.
This still leaves the game open to goal-hanging, though, which is the very thing the offside rule is supposed to prevent.
I said, "...once the ball comes inside the goal box."
Perhaps I should amend it and say, "...while the ball is in the goal box." I was referring to the penalty area, but the term escaped me at the moment I was writing the post.
So, players wouldn't be able to "goal-hang" until the ball is already very near the goal. And, I don't see why "goal-hanging" should be disallowed at that point. The ball spends so little time inside the penalty area anyway, so it's really a rather small exception to the rule.
The point of the thread is to Americanize soccer: the #1 complaint Americans have with soccer is that there isn't enough scoring. I think this would increase the scoring while only negligibly compromising the tactical midfield play that makes the game interesting.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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