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Author Topic:   Hydroplates unchallenged young earth explains Tectonics shortcomings!
NosyNed
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Message 31 of 197 (83535)
02-05-2004 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by simple
02-05-2004 6:07 PM


Re: do it right
Sorry if he didn't predict enough for you.
Well, I'm just asking about Hawaii. He actually predicts nothing. His explanations can not produce what we see for this or, it seems, anything else.
It seems you went off on a tangent about volcanos and seamounts all over the world. How about just Hawaii?
If you think there is a problem with the pt explanation give the exact details as to why it is a problem.
Then give the details of how Walt's work solves the problem. So far just hand waving.
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Common sense isn't

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Message 32 of 197 (83537)
02-05-2004 6:13 PM
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02-05-2004 6:07 PM


Re: do it right
Discussion of debate with Brown should be taken to the appropriate forum.

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Message 33 of 197 (83545)
02-05-2004 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by NosyNed
02-05-2004 5:57 PM


Re: Hydroplate predictions
I don't know! I never looked into that much. Why what's the mysyery?

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Joe Meert
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Message 34 of 197 (83547)
02-05-2004 6:18 PM
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02-05-2004 6:07 PM


Re: do it right
You so much resemble Agassiz in your Avatar. Bury your head, avoid details and hope you get away with it. There are some very well-educated people in this forum who are not about to let you get away with a simple hand-wave dismissal. Do you have evidence or not? Are you able to defend the evidence in your own words or do you need to run off to Walt's website and poorly transcribe notes from his pages? I often warn my students that a class lecture is not about passing my notes to their notes bypassing their brains.
Cheers
Joe Meert
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Message 35 of 197 (83551)
02-05-2004 6:22 PM
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02-05-2004 6:18 PM


Re: do it right
Bury your head, avoid details and hope you get away with it
I'm on the ropes on this one, but why don't you just bring it down a few notches,(layman's terms) and tell me what it is that is puzzling you folks?

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Loudmouth
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Message 36 of 197 (83556)
02-05-2004 6:26 PM
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02-05-2004 6:07 PM


Re: do it right
Plate techtonics indicates slow movement, which is exactly what we see with the Hawaiian Islands. A single hot spot has created all of the Hawaiian islands, the farther you move away from the hot spot, the older the islands date by radiometric dating. If you map out the SLOW movement of the islands away from the hot spot with the radiometric ages of the islands, guess what you get. A perfect match. Also, erosion patterns on the islands follow the same pattern. The islands farthest away from the hot spot are noticebly eroded while those closer to the hot spot show less erosion. This is the trifecta. Three separate and independent measurements (ie, island velocity, radiometric age, and erosion) match up in a way that leaves little doubt that the Hawaiian islands took millions of years to develop through the slow movement of plates, as predicted by PT.
Explain again how hydroplate theory can explain this any better.

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AdminNosy
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Message 37 of 197 (83557)
02-05-2004 6:29 PM
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02-05-2004 6:17 PM


Hawaian Mystery
The Hawaian islands are laid out in a particular way. That way is what you would expect given what we know about the motion of the pacific right now. Why is that?
The islands are not the way that I think Walt's speculation would make them. Why is that? It seems to me that it is one of the many ways that Walt is wrong.
He has had this idea for a number of years. If it was a real, even sort of scientific theory he would be listening to all these various and obvious critisms and showing in detail how they can be handled.
Instead they are ignored or dealt with wild hand waving. This is a pretty good sign that he doesn't have a clue and can not make this so-called theory stand up to real scrutiny. Since it can't stand up to scrutiny it has not climbed from hypothosis to theory but has slipped to fantasy.
It is understandable that you may have been taken in by this. Lots of people are when they don't have a chance to think it over enough.
Now you might be getting a small idea of how badly Walt has done. You have a chance to learn a bit about it all.
Sorry that should have been under NosyNed.
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Message 38 of 197 (83594)
02-05-2004 7:22 PM
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02-05-2004 6:29 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
The Hawaian islands are laid out in a particular way. That way is what you would expect given what we know about the motion of the pacific right now. Why is that?
Coincidence?

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simple 
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Message 39 of 197 (83599)
02-05-2004 7:27 PM
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02-05-2004 6:29 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
Instead they are ignored or dealt with wild hand waving. This is a pretty good sign that he doesn't have a clue and can not make this so-called theory stand up to real scrutiny. Since it can't stand up to scrutiny it has not climbed from hypothosis to theory but has slipped to fantasy
Hope this leap isn't based on my not knowing much about either plate theory. Either way, I do think the continents parted in the recent past. You gotta admit Walt's fit at the ridge is a better one than pts! He may have it wrong. You certainly do.

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Joe Meert
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Message 40 of 197 (83603)
02-05-2004 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by simple
02-05-2004 7:22 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
quote:
Coincidence?
JM: People are going to start noticing the diminishing logic and poor defense of your position. I predict we are only hours, if not only a few days, from the end of your posting on this site. In my experience, it always ends the same way. It goes something like this "While I can't answer any of your questions with any detail (this is the unspoken portion)..God will have your ass in a sling for not buying into the propaganda I've laid out for you" (in incredibly vague detail mind you).
Cheers
Joe Meert

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Joe Meert
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Message 41 of 197 (83604)
02-05-2004 7:32 PM
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02-05-2004 7:27 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
quote:
Either way, I do think the continents parted in the recent past. You gotta admit Walt's fit at the ridge is a better one than pts! He may have it wrong.
JM: He does have it wrong and why do you think it is a better fit? Be specific please (e.g. please give us geological and geophysical details).
Cheers
Joe Meert

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simple 
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Message 42 of 197 (83608)
02-05-2004 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Loudmouth
02-05-2004 6:26 PM


Re: do it right
This is the trifecta. Three separate and independent measurements (ie, island velocity, radiometric age, and erosion
ha. the radiometric thing I've already said before is less dependable by some estimates than Jeanne Dixon's successful predictions. (not that things don't decay, but lava has been way off) Island velocity--and erossion---Things certainly eroded with a world of water! I guess the question of which island is more 'recent' matters less in a young earth. Walt says theres many chains of submarine volcanoes scattered over a large area next to the Hawaaian chain, but not in line with it.--that you folks don't explain. One chain actually being perpendicular.

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simple 
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Message 43 of 197 (83612)
02-05-2004 7:41 PM
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02-05-2004 7:32 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
He does have it wrong and why do you think it is a better fit
probably because the man who you are trying to look like in your picture has a book I looked at. In it there's pictures of what look like a much better fit.

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Message 44 of 197 (83613)
02-05-2004 7:45 PM
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02-05-2004 7:22 PM


Re: Hawaian Mystery
Coincidence?
You think that is an answer?
There are, of course, an awful lot of "coincidences".

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Message 45 of 197 (83616)
02-05-2004 7:46 PM
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02-05-2004 7:30 PM


coincidence
I don't plan to be here long, so, keep it up, you may do well in the predictions thing. You seem to feel you are pretty expert in most of these things, but show me how much of of your knowledge is not built on the assumptions of great age, and there is probably not much left.

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