prophex responds to me:
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This is not very strong evidence my friend, esspecially since the flood's date is not actually known
Incorrect. The flood date is actually quite well known given the explicit chronology of the Bible: Approximately 2250 BCE. All you have to do is add up the dates:
Genesis 11:10: These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
11:11: And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:12: And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
11:13: And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:14: And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
11:15: And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:16: And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
11:17: And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:18: And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
11:19: And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:20: And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
11:21: And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:22: And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
11:23: And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:24: And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
11:25: And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
11:26: And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
Counting all this up, this puts Abram being born 292 years after the flood.
We then go to:
Genesis 12:1: Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
12:2: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
12:3: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
12:4: So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
Thus, Abram was 75 when the covenant was established. Add that to the 292 years previous and we get 367 years.
Whence to:
Galatians 3:17: And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Thus, the Exodus happened 430 years after the covenant. Add that 430 years to the 367 previous and we get 797.
Finally to:
1 Kings 6:1: And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.
Thus, Solomon's Temple was begun 480 years after the Exodus. Add that 480 years to the 797 previous and we get 1277 years, rounded off to 1300 for convenience.
Now, all we need to do is date Solomon's Temple, date it, and then add 1277 years to determine when the flood was supposed to have happened.
Well, according to the Catholic Church's position, after analysing the Bible for chronologies off of known kings, is that the Temple was started in 958 BCE (CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Chronology, Biblical) so we have a pretty good correlation there.
Therefore, the flood must have happened about 2250 BCE.
But, to be on the safe side, let's push it a bit further back since the Egyptian empire was thriving about that time (the Great Pyramid was built in the 26th century, after all, and there is no indication in the contiuous documentary record we have of Egypt that everybody died in a flood). We end up going to pre-history, pre-Bronze Age, right into the middle of Early Cyclades.
Why would a bunch of Jews start copying a pagan artistic form they had never encountered before such that there is no evidence of any break in the timeline and no outside influence in the output?
Rrhain
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