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CK
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Message 1 of 32 (130315)
08-04-2004 1:35 PM


OK to try and get this back on track - let's try the following, if evidence has been found that supports the claims made by Ron Wyatt, is it possible to produce a list (which we would then debate) using the following template:
EVIDENCE ITEM 1: What is it?
WHICH LAB CONDUCTED INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION?
WHEN WAS THIS CONDUCTED?
WHAT TESTS WERE PERFORMED?
WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THIS INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION?
WHERE IS THE DOCUMENTATION AROUND THE VERIFICATION AVAILABLE?
The thread has got slightly unfocused and I think this would allow to proceed in a more focused manner.
This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-04-2004 12:48 PM
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Message 2 of 32 (130320)
08-04-2004 1:50 PM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

CK
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Message 3 of 32 (130322)
08-04-2004 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CK
08-04-2004 1:35 PM


ok to start
I would ask those who don't believe those claims to allow a supporter a chance to complete the "template" for us to examine. It is pointless, getting into another Yah-boo-hoo - so let's try and get more systematic.
Supporters when you complete those questions - please avoid terms like Excellent, convincing, good etc - purely the facts. For example when naming the lab conducting the research - we do not require a lenghty trait about the "world-class" research done there - just the name.
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Message 4 of 32 (130329)
08-04-2004 2:18 PM
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08-04-2004 1:54 PM


Re: ok to start
quote:
EVIDENCE ITEM 1: What is it?
WHICH LAB CONDUCTED INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION?
WHEN WAS THIS CONDUCTED?
WHAT TESTS WERE PERFORMED?
WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THIS INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION?
WHERE IS THE DOCUMENTATION AROUND THE VERIFICATION AVAILABLE?
. . . let's try and get more systematic - purely the facts.
I wholeheartedly endorse your outline, Charles. There is either verified evidence or there isn't. If the proponents can't satisfy the above conditions, then there isn't.
Amlodhi

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Message 5 of 32 (130344)
08-04-2004 3:10 PM


Also, I noticed that there were like 4 pages more between now and the last time I checked the old thread. Since a lot of the data are gone, could the people that posted some hopefully new stuff to repost them here? Eta responded to somebody, so it must have been quite interesting to see.

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Message 6 of 32 (130349)
08-04-2004 3:21 PM
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08-04-2004 3:10 PM


Nah not interesting...
I was being more sarcastic than anything. I asked what these pro-Wyatt clowns did for a living since it cannot possibly be of an intellectual nature or anything involving data analyis and reduction of any kind.
I also called the SDA church a cult since JimSDA slammed the Catholics as many fundamental cults do.

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CK
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Message 7 of 32 (130350)
08-04-2004 3:22 PM
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08-04-2004 3:10 PM


I would rather we didn't as much of it would be beyond the narrow focus on the evidence that I am trying to encourage.
Let's give the strong evidence a change to speak !

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JimSDA
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Message 8 of 32 (130353)
08-04-2004 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Amlodhi
08-04-2004 2:18 PM


Galbraith Labs in Knoxville, TN
On September 16, 1987 Ron took the petrified deck timber that was found at the Noah's Ark site to Galbraith Labs in Knoxville, TN -- the result was that it contained .71% total carbon, and inorganic carbon totalled .0081% -- so it was proven to be petrified wood! (This is the deck timber that critics say is only a "sedimentary rock," which shows that lab tests mean NOTHING to people who want to ignore the truth!)
Ron was a nurse anesthetist -- he worked in hospitals around doctors and people who worked with "science" and did tests ALL THE TIME -- so Ron did his best to get Galbraith Labs to test the samples he brought back from overseas.
Ron also had Galbraith Labs test the sulfur balls from the Sodom & Gomorrah site -- and he filmed them doing it -- and I included this information in my 1992 magazine that I prepared for Ron, the sulfur was 95.72% pure sulfur with traces of other elements that would contribute to an extremely high-temperature fire!
Ron also tested other things --
So tell me guys, we published this stuff over 10 years ago and then posted all this info up on the Internet for you all to read for FREE at least 5 years ago -- so why do you keep demanding for us to tell it to you?
Regarding Lennart Moller's work, I'm not sure which exact labs he used in Europe -- perhaps someone who has more recently read his 320-page book can answer that for you.
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Message 9 of 32 (130364)
08-04-2004 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by JimSDA
08-04-2004 3:25 PM


Re: Galbraith Labs in Knoxville, TN
What do any of those tests have to do with the Exodus finds? Please stay on topic.

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Message 10 of 32 (130368)
08-04-2004 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Eta_Carinae
08-04-2004 3:21 PM


OK, let's chat about "cults"...
Eta_Carinae wrote: "I also called the SDA church a cult since JimSDA slammed the Catholics as many fundamental cults do."
Do you know what the definition of a "cult" is?
A "cult" is a group of people who 1)base their beliefs upon NON-BIBLICAL DOCTRINES, and 2)have a single charismatic leader at the head of their organization -- which is why the Catholic Church accutally qualifies to be the largest "cult" on the planet with over a billion members!
Sure, the Catholic Church loosely bases its beliefs upon the Bible, but most of them are NOT in the Bible! There is no command for people to worship or pray to Mary, the Bible says that there is just one mediator between man and God: Jesus!
The 2nd Commandment tells us NOT to bow down before graven images and worship them -- so the Catholic Church REMOVED the 2nd Commandment from the Ten Commandments so that they could have their people feel good about bowing down and praying to all these statues of Mary that they have in their churches (which is just another form of mother-goddess worship from pagan days).
"Purgatory" is NOT in the Bible, it is Greek myth ala Hades!
People are not supposed to confess their sins to a human priest, they are to confess their FAULTS to people and their SINS directly to God in prayer!
Human beings can NOT forgive sins!!! Only God can do this -- so all those priests in the confessionals are not doing it like the Bible told them to do it -- but what would you expect from a church that put the Bible on their list of "forbidden books" for people to avoid, and then when it comes time to honor either the Bible or "tradition," the Catholic Church chooses "tradition"!
I could go on and on, but won't -- so just let me explain why the Seventh-day Adventist Church is NOT a "cult":
True, we had a woman named Ellen White who helped found this church back in 1865, because she had over 2,000 visions from God -- so in a way, the SDAs have a "charismatic leader" (she died in 1915) -- but we do NOT have a belief system that goes outside of the Bible for its doctrines! The Adventists are the most diligent Christians on the planet that go by a "thus sayeth the Lord" in ALL of their doctrines, and I know this because I have done 6 books explaining those doctrines!
So if you want to look for "cults," let's go by the definition of a cult and not just by how you think a demoniation sounds a little "weird" to you -- study the doctrines, THEN make your decision as to who is a cult! Because SDAs are definitely NOT a "cult"!

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CK
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Message 11 of 32 (130369)
08-04-2004 3:51 PM
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08-04-2004 3:47 PM


ADMIN - PLEASE REMOVE
Admin - can we have the off-topic posts, edited/removed?
I do not want this disrailed before it has began.
I would ask posters to refer to my post 1 - that is the matter under discussion.

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Message 12 of 32 (130373)
08-04-2004 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Trae
08-04-2004 3:39 PM


Re: Galbraith Labs in Knoxville, TN
Trae wrote: "What do any of those tests have to do with the Exodus finds? Please stay on topic."
It shows that Ron Wyatt did his best to DO the scientific lab testing that you people want to see, whenever it was possible!
Ron had a body of work that incorporated 7 major biblical discoveries, and he was as consistant as possible when it came to doing tests.

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Message 13 of 32 (130374)
08-04-2004 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CK
08-04-2004 1:35 PM


Contract Analytical Testing - Galbraith Laboratories Inc.
And this lab has been in business for over 50 years!
"Galbraith Laboratories, Inc. was founded in 1950 by Dr. Harry Galbraith as an independent micro-analytical laboratory. Over the years, Galbraith has continuously expanded and developed its testing programs, instrumentation, support capabilities, and technical and professional expertise.
We conduct analyses of organic, metallorganic, and inorganic samples in order to identify major elements. In addition, trace contaminants can be analyzed and selected physical properties can be determined. Method development and validation services are routinely performed.
Galbraith's distinguished ability to handle high volume, routine analyses, as well as technically complex projects, is best defined in the balance and expertise called "The Galbraith Difference."
Today, Galbraith is recognized as one of the largest and most experienced micro-analytical laboratories in the world. With a staff of approximately 70, our laboratory performs over 250,000 analyses each year for over 6,000 clients worldwide, including universities, corporations, and government agencies."
Charles Knight
I can't believe you're asking all those questions. Why on earth wouldn't this stuff have been documented a long time ago? Why do I have to kill my fingers typing out all the data when it is already put on websites for you???
Now we already know that the chariot wheels cannot be taken to labs.
1. We're still trying to get the funds for an expedition with the appropriate salvaging equipment to bring up the gold gilded wheel.
2. Although some coral encrusted wheels have been brought up, technically we are not allowed to do so. The divers who brought up the coral encrusted parts were independent of Wyatt's organization, so the blame cannot be put on Ron or his organization for not taking them to labs. The one wheel Ron did take, he did what he thought was the right thing to do back in 78. He took it to the Director of Anqiuities, Nassif Hassan.
But, we do have LAB tests for Noah's Ark. If you want your questions answered, take a couple hours to thoroughly read through the links on this page:
Finding the Ark
Read through all 10 Newsletters, and I'm pretty sure you'll get the answers that you need, as long as you don't just skim through.

~Lysimachus

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CK
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Message 14 of 32 (130376)
08-04-2004 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Lysimachus
08-04-2004 3:55 PM


This is not debating in good faith, if you do not wish to join the debate as it is set-out I would ask that you refrain from further posts.
I am not asking for great detail - one sentence per question is fine, it gives us a point to start serious debate.
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Message 15 of 32 (130377)
08-04-2004 3:59 PM


Let's just give the Exodus a rest?
I encourage all to consider this topic temporarily closed, even though I'm leaving it open.
Adminnemooseus

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