Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 66 (9164 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,480 Year: 3,737/9,624 Month: 608/974 Week: 221/276 Day: 61/34 Hour: 4/3


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   What are some christian's beliefs on how evolution effects moral values?
RobinBird
Inactive Member


Message 1 of 62 (167831)
12-13-2004 7:16 PM


I'm participating in a debate tomorrow, and the question is- "Is the teaching of evolution dangerous to moral values?". Please respond, all who read this. ( I'd prefer christian views, because that's the side I'm doing, but anyone else- feel free to respond also!

Replies to this message:
 Message 3 by jar, posted 12-13-2004 7:38 PM RobinBird has replied
 Message 4 by NosyNed, posted 12-13-2004 8:09 PM RobinBird has not replied
 Message 11 by Firebird, posted 12-13-2004 8:43 PM RobinBird has not replied
 Message 13 by General Nazort, posted 12-13-2004 9:45 PM RobinBird has not replied
 Message 54 by truthlover, posted 12-16-2004 12:14 AM RobinBird has not replied

  
AdminJar
Inactive Member


Message 2 of 62 (167834)
12-13-2004 7:31 PM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
jar
Member (Idle past 416 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 3 of 62 (167836)
12-13-2004 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RobinBird
12-13-2004 7:16 PM


There is no connection between Evolution and morals.
There is certainly no danger associated with teaching the Theory of Evolution.
Just really curious in what venue such a silly question could even come up?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by RobinBird, posted 12-13-2004 7:16 PM RobinBird has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 5 by RobinBird, posted 12-13-2004 8:18 PM jar has not replied
 Message 6 by RobinBird, posted 12-13-2004 8:18 PM jar has replied

  
NosyNed
Member
Posts: 9003
From: Canada
Joined: 04-04-2003


Message 4 of 62 (167847)
12-13-2004 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RobinBird
12-13-2004 7:16 PM


Weak Faith
If someone was brought up with a very simplistic faith that had a view of god something like the ancient Greeks did then the idea that God might actually use a very sophisticated process to "create" life might be seen as being against that faith.
If, in addition, the individual only had "moral" behaviour because of the carrot/stick of reward or punishment in the afterlife then those so-called 'morals' might be impacted by anything that seemed to cast doubt on the simplistic faith that the person had.
It seems that the situation must be rather contrived before there could be any impact. However, that is exactly the situation that fundamentalist Christians set up.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by RobinBird, posted 12-13-2004 7:16 PM RobinBird has not replied

  
RobinBird
Inactive Member


Message 5 of 62 (167849)
12-13-2004 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
12-13-2004 7:38 PM


I didn't mean for it to sound silly- it's just that our teacher posed that question to us for our debate tomorrow. I was just looking for opinions to argue my different sides- it wasn't meant to be posed as a qusetion to be argued upon. Special thanx to NosyNed- now I have evidence for my other side.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by jar, posted 12-13-2004 7:38 PM jar has not replied

  
RobinBird
Inactive Member


Message 6 of 62 (167850)
12-13-2004 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
12-13-2004 7:38 PM


To Jar-I didn't mean for it to sound silly- it's just that our teacher posed that question to us for our debate tomorrow. I was just looking for opinions to argue my different sides- it wasn't meant to be posed as a question to be argued upon. Special thanx to NosyNed- now I have evidence for my other side.
This message has been edited by RobinBird, 12-13-2004 08:19 PM

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by jar, posted 12-13-2004 7:38 PM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 7 by jar, posted 12-13-2004 8:27 PM RobinBird has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 416 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 7 of 62 (167853)
12-13-2004 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by RobinBird
12-13-2004 8:18 PM


I'm still curious because as a Christian I can see no moral connection with teaching evolution?
Just what type of course is this?
But to start with, what do you think the other side might argue?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 6 by RobinBird, posted 12-13-2004 8:18 PM RobinBird has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 8 by RobinBird, posted 12-13-2004 8:35 PM jar has replied
 Message 9 by robinrohan, posted 12-13-2004 8:37 PM jar has not replied

  
RobinBird
Inactive Member


Message 8 of 62 (167856)
12-13-2004 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
12-13-2004 8:27 PM


This is a 9th grade English 1 class- I have no clue what connection it has- maybe that christians would be "offended" that people would try to jeopardize their believes by trying to prove them wrong- (I don't know how that would work either- seeing as I am a christian, and I have no problem w/ it) But maybe you can help me w/ this?
(PS- I have no clue what the other side would argue, either....but maybe I should think about that, huh??!?!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 7 by jar, posted 12-13-2004 8:27 PM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 10 by jar, posted 12-13-2004 8:41 PM RobinBird has not replied

  
robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 9 of 62 (167857)
12-13-2004 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
12-13-2004 8:27 PM


I suppose a Christian might argue that the idea of "survivial of the fittest" might seem to be natural, and could be applied to human society as well as nature ("Social Darwinism"), with negative moral effects. Maybe that is what the teacher had in mind.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 7 by jar, posted 12-13-2004 8:27 PM jar has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 12 by mike the wiz, posted 12-13-2004 8:56 PM robinrohan has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 416 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 10 of 62 (167858)
12-13-2004 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by RobinBird
12-13-2004 8:35 PM


(PS- I have no clue what the other side would argue, either....but maybe I should think about that, huh??!?!
I sure think you should. If you can counter their arguments you'll have an easier time than simply saying, "What problems?"
I can tell you a few that have come up over time here.
You'll hear that if you learn about Evolution you have to believe in Surviival of the Fittest and so you can just do anything you want.
So how would you counter that?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 8 by RobinBird, posted 12-13-2004 8:35 PM RobinBird has not replied

  
Firebird
Inactive Member


Message 11 of 62 (167859)
12-13-2004 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RobinBird
12-13-2004 7:16 PM


Evolution and Christian Beliefs
Hi RobinBird,
Do you mean arguments like in the thread
here?
If so, the "Christian" perspective is most clearly spelled out in messgae 9 by Almeyda.
Hope this helps!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by RobinBird, posted 12-13-2004 7:16 PM RobinBird has not replied

  
mike the wiz
Member
Posts: 4755
From: u.k
Joined: 05-24-2003


Message 12 of 62 (167863)
12-13-2004 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by robinrohan
12-13-2004 8:37 PM


.
This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 12-13-2004 09:11 PM
This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 12-13-2004 09:12 PM

This message is a reply to:
 Message 9 by robinrohan, posted 12-13-2004 8:37 PM robinrohan has not replied

  
General Nazort
Inactive Member


Message 13 of 62 (167873)
12-13-2004 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RobinBird
12-13-2004 7:16 PM


You could say that if evolution is true and there is no God then there is no reason to not do something immoral if doing that immoral act is in your best interests.

If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by RobinBird, posted 12-13-2004 7:16 PM RobinBird has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 14 by NosyNed, posted 12-13-2004 9:52 PM General Nazort has replied
 Message 15 by berberry, posted 12-13-2004 9:53 PM General Nazort has not replied
 Message 32 by PaulK, posted 12-14-2004 3:27 AM General Nazort has not replied

  
NosyNed
Member
Posts: 9003
From: Canada
Joined: 04-04-2003


Message 14 of 62 (167875)
12-13-2004 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by General Nazort
12-13-2004 9:45 PM


no god?
You could say that if evolution is true and there is no God then
But how would one connect the two parts of that? What does evolution being true have to do with thier being no God?
The only thing you can say is that the way in which God was thought to have worked turned out to be incorrect as we learned more. Leaping from that to "no god" seems to be a rather large leap doesn't it?
then there is no reason to not do something immoral if doing that immoral act is in your best interests.
Since believers and non-believers alike seem to have no monopoly on doing immoral acts (however you define them) it isn't clear there is a connection between God and immoral acts either.
Also the perpetrators should be careful about determining their "best interests". An anarchistic "society" might not be in the "best interests" of very many.
It is, of course, an argument for debate. But it seems so very weak that I'm not sure I'd want to go that way.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 13 by General Nazort, posted 12-13-2004 9:45 PM General Nazort has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 21 by General Nazort, posted 12-13-2004 11:35 PM NosyNed has replied

  
berberry
Inactive Member


Message 15 of 62 (167876)
12-13-2004 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by General Nazort
12-13-2004 9:45 PM


General Nazort writes:
quote:
You could say that if evolution is true and there is no God...
Non sequitor. If evolution is true, God might still exist.

Dog is my copilot.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 13 by General Nazort, posted 12-13-2004 9:45 PM General Nazort has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 16 by robinrohan, posted 12-13-2004 10:34 PM berberry has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024