Come and get me, right wingers!

Another angry topic from the pastor-to-be that every Creo hates:I'm not sure how to narrow this topic down to exactly what it is that I'm after, but here we go. In previous topics, namely ones that I started, I have recieved a lot of rebuttal for not being 'Christian enough' or something like that. People were apparently trying to give me a guilt trip for being an anything-but-orthodox preacher. Seems people don't want to debate the morality of the belief that I'm questioning, but would rather just tell me to not think the way I do because it's 'not how a preacher should think'.Here's your chance, kiddies! I'm open to answering any and all personal questions that are relevant to the issue of me being a minister with the beliefs that I have. Let loose! Fire at will!
Insults are welcome! By all means, let's see if I'm really so bad after all!Let's review:1.I think evolution happened, evolution is not a religion.
2.The Bible is not absolutely innerrant. Wonderful lesson book, but not historically sound in many places.
3.I don't believe God will send all non-Christians to hell.
4.I, as well as the whole Methodist church to my knowledge, am NOT opposed to homosexuals, non-Christians(including cultists and satanists), and people who aren't afraid to question tradition.
5.Did I mention I wrestle? I'm ultimately training for NHB.(look it up in a search engine) I'm gonna be a preacher and do some of that on the side because it's fun. Got a problem with it?I challenge somebody to throw me off my high horse and tell me I'm wrong MORALLY. When I say that, I mean the following:RULES OF ENGAGEMENT:
1.Absolutely NO SCRIPTURE READING WHATSOEVER. No Bible. No Koran. No Torah. Sorry. NADA!2.No dodging my questions by saying that I shouldn't be asking them if I'm a 'real Christian'. In fact, let's go crazy: NO DODGING QUESTIONS. Feel free to hold me to that, by the way.3.Insults are NOT to be taken seriously unless noted otherwise.That's about it. Bring it on!

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Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)

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I think most church blokes are infact unbeliever-friendly nowadays because of dwindling congregations. So you'll probably fit right in.I call it "Preaching the friendly unbeliever news" according to watered down juice.But heh, ya not the worst of 'em. Hope this wasn't aimed at me, cos I thought I atleast tried to find something that would be what unbelievers would want to hear.That's the problem with the Gospel you see - people are too opinionated to buy the real version. Apparently the church have made a more "worldly" version of the bible in England, according to watered down juice. The aim is to please secularists/atheists into going to church. ROFL.

Except for the 'rasslin part, you sound a lot like my dad. He was a missionary and then preacher that supported civil rights in 1960 in Arkansas. And a very, very good, moral man.You go, guy! The world needs more preachers and Christians like you!

Tee hee hee.

Hello Born2Preach. I'll take you up on debating whether you ought to be a minister with the beliefs you have.I'm new to this forum, so I am not sure on exactly what you believe.I guess I would like to debate you about teaching that the Bible is not completely accurate and about homosexuality.But I am confused why you say that a rule will be no scripture quoting... especially when debating the accuracy of the Bible.Some questions:What do you mean by "opposed to homosexuals?" Does this mean you don't think it is wrong or does it mean they should not be treated differently for positions of leadership?What parts of the Bible are innacurate? I gather believe many historical parts are innacurate. What about the accuracy of parts of the Bible that cannot be verified - how do you judge what is accurate and what is not? Are the spiritual teachings from God or are they just good teachings written by men?About wrestling... yes its fun, got no problem with it, go for it! I have done a bit myself (I'm really bad though)

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If you say there are no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure about that?

I have great respect for wrestlers. I myself am more of a Cross-Country/Track person. IMHO the world would be a better place if we had more people like you.

Doesn't everybody know that the Devil can quote Scripture to his purpose? Doesn't it say something like that in Revelations?About the wrestling - Greco-Roman, or the other kind?What is the other kind? What the hell is the difference? What the hell is "cauliflower ear", which I remember the wrestlers in my high school warding off with bizarre headgear? Why the hell am I even asking?But I guess I'll say this, to B2P: Is it the mature path to spiritual wisdom to go around spoiling for fights? What would your kung-fu master have to say about that, grasshopper?If you're really right, do you have to prove it here? Aren't you like that big tough guy that goes around insisting that people sock him as hard as they can, right on the jaw, just to prove how much tougher he is than everybody else? I.e. sort of tacky and thuggish?Believe what you want to believe. Why do you have to prove that it's right to any of us?This message has been edited by crashfrog, 08-12-2004 11:50 PM

I think he wants you to defend inerrancy using external corroborating evidence if you have it.

When some people wanted to abolish slavery, the religious nuts at the time pointed some passages in the bible to "prove" that god endorsed slavery.When some people wanted to give women the right to vote, the religious nuts at the time pointed to some passages in the bible to "prove" that god meant for women to be inferior to men.When some people wanted to give blacks and all other races the same basic rights that white Americans had and to end segregation once and for all, the religious nuts at the time pointed to some passages in the bible to "prove" that god wanted different races to be seperate.Now, when some people want homosexuals to have the right to get married, the religious nuts of our time are pointing out some bible passages to "prove" that god condemns homosexuality.My point is you can use the bible to "prove" just about anything, whether it's right or not.

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The Laminator
For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!

I just have 1 question for you. Why be a preacher of a certain religion if you're going to admit that other religions could be right?

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The Laminator
For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!

Well there is a huge difference between the passages about slavery, races, women, and the passages about homosexuality.Anyways in my question about not using scripture, I was thinking more along the lines of, if (repeat, if) you can show that the Bible is from God, then why shouldn't you be able to use passages from it?And how can you show that the Bible is from God without looking at what the Bible says, quoting some passages, examining them, etc?

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If you say there are no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure about that?

That was very encouraging, thank you. I never understood how you X-country guys could run so much. We brag about our running a lot, but you guys are definetly the epitome of running-real-fast-people.Mike the Wiz, I was not addressing you in any of that. We may believe differently, but you are very gentle with your persuasion tactics as opposed to people who would rather bite my head off.Corag- ThanksGeneral-I'll reply to you in detail in my next postEDITED IN:Lam, I'll reply in detail to you as wellThis message has been edited by Born2Preach, 08-13-2004 01:06 AM

That's what they said every generation. The ones that condemned slavery but endorsed segregation said the same thing you just said.Have you ever been to a mental hospital? Well, I have. Some of them are absolutely convinced that they are the sane ones and the rest of us are the nutcases. I'm sorry, but that really sounds like circular reasoning to me. I'm sure you can write 100 pages of the following sentence:The bible is from god because it says so in the bible.

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The Laminator
For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!

that would be folkstyle and freestyle. I do folkstyle, but I want to do Greco. Greco takedowns are arguably safer in NHB.The wrestling thing I brought up because a guy at my school said I was going to hell for participating in a violent sport, so I mentioned it proudly to see how many people on here felt the same as he did. I don't SPOIL for fights outside of sport, although I see your point that the OP in this topic was pretty arrogant. I agree that it is, and I felt bad after you pointed it out, but if I change it now I'm afraid someone will point THAT out and bug me about it. First of all, I never do the latter. I know several people(some of them girls) who, given time to feel out the pressure points, could literally break my jaw in one well-aimed punch. As such, I think I'd rather keep my jaw.But I'm doing this the same reason any of us debate on here: I'm not 100% sure if I'm right, so I want to debate the ideas with others and see if any changes occur. Okay, maybe some on here are positive they're right, but I'm not fully sure. I'll be ever less doubtful of my position when and if it takes the heat in debate. Good question. However, my hobbies(which are partly what I'm trying to justify) don't necessarily reflect my beliefs; that's partly the
point of this post. It's hard to answer the question directly; I guess the same reason anyone on here debates. Hope I don't seem like I'm intentionally ignoring the question, I just don't have a full answer at this point.

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Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)