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Topic: Music - Where did it evolve?
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rrammcitktturjsp012006
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Message 1 of 11 (368633)
12-09-2006 10:23 AM
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Hi all, It has been years since I have been active in this forum and it's great to be back "home" again so to speak. I had no idea where this needed to be categorized so I am asking it here. I am a piano/vocal performance major at TTU. I have always wondered how did Music evolve or if there have been any evolutionary papers written on it with regards to science. What I am not looking for is how music has changed over the centuries or Music history and form and analysis. I am wondering how could something as abstract as music get in the scientic evolutionary scheme of things. This sounds like a good paper to write for my thesis, hmmm. Anyways, you all have a great day. Look forward to your responses.
Rhiannon M. Moynihan-Flippin
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Welcome to the fray rrammcitktturjsp012006,
I am a piano/vocal performance major at TTU. I have always wondered how did Music evolve or if there have been any evolutionary papers written on it with regards to science. ... I am wondering how could something as abstract as music get in the scientic evolutionary scheme of things. Mating behavior would be a rather obvious first source, seeing as we see this kind of behavior in other species. It would be hard to trace the history from first music, as we have evidence of music making instruments (flutes, strings, reeds, drums and the like) long before we have any written record of history (to say nothing of music). The association of music (and other forms of creativity) with mating behavior can also be supported by observing those who are generally considered "sexy" people: rock stars, dancers, singers, etc. Enjoy.
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Clark
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"This Is Your Brain On Music"
I'm currently reading a book called "This Is Your Brain On Music" by Daniel J. Levitin. Dr. Levitin was a former rock musician and producer before going on to study cognitive neuroscience. It covers music theory, the neurology of perception, and some potential evolutionary explanations for music. I haven't read the whole thing yet so I don't have know exactly what his conclusions are. You might want to check it out, it's pretty good so far.
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 4 of 11 (368899)
12-10-2006 10:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Clark
12-10-2006 9:59 PM
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Re: "This Is Your Brain On Music"
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rrammcitktturjsp012006
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Message 5 of 11 (368906)
12-10-2006 11:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Clark
12-10-2006 9:59 PM
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Re: "This Is Your Brain On Music"
Amazon, Thanks I will check it out and see if I cannot ebay it. I guess I am not the only one wondering about this. And NosyNed thanks for your input. I sure will check into that. Thanks. Sincerely, Anne C. McGuire
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Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: 08-16-2006
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hear the music play, do what the music say
Fascinating subject. Welcome to EvC. Also check out Music, The Brain, and Ecstasy by Robert Jourdain (Harper 1998). It's based more on the science of what happens in the ear and brain rather than, say, the philosophy of music's meaning. The book has a good bibliography, too, for launching more investigations. Music unquestionably has multiple origins. It is closely linked to poetry and dance, so its place in society surely owes much to courtship behavior. Other communal activities loom large, too: worship, lamentation, celebration. Ultimately it's a symbol system, like speech. Music conveys, and heightens, the kind of content we communicate in speech through our pitch and tone more than our vocabulary. And it conveys in sound the kind of gestures we make in dance and other forms of physical movement. Good luck with this project. Keep us posted! ___ Edited by Archer Opterix, : Added info.
Archer All species are transitional.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Hi!  I play piano and sing also, so I am curious as to where it all started. I think it started the first time man ate beans? j/k Probably was a mating thing, or man could have heard the birds singing, and tried to mimic them. This is almost like a wich came first? The chicken or egg question. I wonder if singing came first or making sound from something?
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3311 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Haven't you seen History of the World Part 2? Toward the beginning, the movie explained in detail how stone age people invented music.
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rrammcitktturjsp012006
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Message 9 of 11 (368983)
12-11-2006 10:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by riVeRraT
12-11-2006 9:42 AM
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That would be interesting
riVeRrat, Cool name by the way. I am wondering which did come first. If I find out anything I will let you know. Sincerely, Anne C. McGuire
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rrammcitktturjsp012006
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Message 10 of 11 (368984)
12-11-2006 10:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 8 by Taz
12-11-2006 9:51 AM
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History of the World Part II
Gasby, Hey I was wondering where you could get this movie. Is it a part of a series and if so what series and who produced the vidoes? Thanks. Sincerely, Anne C. McGuire
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3311 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Re: History of the World Part II
It's not a series. It's a movie. And it's not really something you'd want to base your paper on... It's a comedy by Mel Brooks. By the way, it's my mistake. It's actually part 1, not 2. History of the World Part 1. History of the World, Part I - Wikipedia Edited by gasby, : No reason given.
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