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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3484 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:That's what I was trying to say in Message 22, but apparently didn't succeed. Whatever they wrote was written as God's will, whether it was an earthquake, flood, drought, war, etc., which is a priestly point of view. How were wars depicted in official documents? Is it possible to determine what is truly from God and what is man's perception? A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Berberry writes: Remember, the passage I cited states explicitly that God ordered the slaughter of the Amalekites. What is your point concerning the slaughter of the Amalekites?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Berberry writes: If one wants to make the case that God is unjust, one has only to read 1 Samuel 15. God orders Israel to attack and utterly destroy an entire race of people, going out of his way to order that children and even suckling infants be killed. It's passages like this that make me wonder just why it is that we're supposed to be afraid of Satan. If this is really God then he's a lot like Hitler. The account of what the "innocent" Amalekites did: Deuteronomy 25:17-19:
17 Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt; 18 How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God. 19 Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it. The Amalekites attacked an unarmed Israel as they fled out of Egypt.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
The Amalekites attacked an unarmed Israel as they fled out of Egypt. Even the suckling infants? That must have been adorable. Like some sort of twisted Anne Geddes photo. ...okay, like a more twisted Anne Geddes photo.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
God gave Israel the Land of Canaan because the Canaanites were wicked:
Leviticus 18:21-30:
21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. 24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: 27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled; ) 28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. 29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God. |
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Dan Carroll writes: Even the suckling infants? How noble of you that you are concerned for the innocent suckling infants. God did not spare the babies during the Flood of Genesis either. He could have easily miracled a painless death for all of the innocent babies that haunt your thoughts. As I said in another thread, God ultimately took ALL of the innocents to be with him. Indeed he spared them from the wicked and corrupt adults.
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berberry Inactive Member |
dpardo asks:
quote: To compare God to Hitler. Keep America Safe AND Free!
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berberry Inactive Member |
quote: Some 400 years prior, yes. I guess God has a long memory, huh? Keep America Safe AND Free!
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Berberry writes: I guess God has a long memory, huh? After the Amalakites had attacked Israel and Israel had fought back... Exodus 17:14:
14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven. Balaam prophesying in Numbers 24:20:
20 And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, and said, Amalek was the first of the nations; but his latter end shall be that he perish for ever.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Berberry writes: You haven't been paying attention, have you? I guess God has a long memory, huh? You would do well to remember this.
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berberry Inactive Member |
dpardo quotes Exodus:
...for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven. Kinda funny isn't it; here we are, remembering Amalek. Keep America Safe AND Free!
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berberry Inactive Member |
dpardo admonishes me:
quote: Why? God might come back 400 years from now and smite my descendants because of something I've done? Not to worry; I'm gay so there won't be any descendants. Keep America Safe AND Free!
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Berberry writes: Kinda funny isn't it; here we are, remembering Amalek. More quote mining? If he asked Moses to write it in a book, then that's not what he meant by, "put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven."
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
He could have easily miracled a painless death for all of the innocent babies that haunt your thoughts. Except that he didn't miracle away their lives. He specifically ordred men to kill them. Attacking armies of man don't traditionally offer painless deaths. (Nor do flood waters, while we're on the subject.)
As I said in another thread, God ultimately took ALL of the innocents to be with him. That's cool of him, hanging out with them after ordering their deaths. I'd hate to be God in that scenario, though... I mean, talk about awkward.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
If he asked Moses to write it in a book, then that's not what he meant by, "put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven." So, ah... what did he mean, then?
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