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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Before commenting it would help if you knew something about what has been said before. Please go listen to the video in Message 185
People are incredibly ignorant about the phases and stages of Marxism. It long since stopped being primarily an economic theory and has set itself to kill western civilization. That was the goal of the Frankfurt School as they invented scheme after scheme to attack the west. It's all in that video and there's more in the article on political correctness (Message 220 and Message 226), and the other video, Message 207. It was Marxist Susan Sontag who may have been the first to say the white race is most evil thing that ever existed or something like that. abe: Wikipedia quotes her as saying "The white race is the cancer of human history." Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
No Faith, I said the guys remarks only mean that some person is alleged to have made that remark.
Which reduces it to meaninglessness. Duh. Yup. That's the point. It's meaningless.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1045 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Seems to me I've seen a lot of European leaders in particular but some ordinary Europeans as well, refusing to say anything at all against the Muslims, even going out of their way to avoid identifying them, hiding their great preponderance of crimes under general statistics for instance. And other European leaders and people say different things. The Prime Minister of Hungary enjoys loudly expressing his view that Islam is incompatible with European civilisation, that it is impossible for Muslims to integrate and that we should not allow Muslims into Europe. Clearly there is no sinister force preventing people from speaking their minds on the topic. Have you paused to consider that the leaders and ordinary people who do not talk about Islam and Muslims in the same way as you do so simply because they don't agree with your view of things?
But since you show that there is some pretty loud complaining, why haven't they figured out how to throw the bums out? Because we don't all think the same. I am not terrified into silence and inactivity by hate-mongers ranting about me betraying Europe; and more than they are terrified into silence and inactivity when I refer to them as hatemongers and Islamophobes.
You probably didn't watch the video in Message 185 - ? - but there's a Muslim there shown saying how in twenty years the UK will be Pakistan. Is that OK by you? Idiot says something stupid. What's your point?
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But again Faith, the issue is not what someone says but rather "is there any evidence to support your assertions and the topic"?
So far there has been no evidence of any "Western Decline", no evidence of any "Marxism in Leftism (whatever that meant) and no evidence of "(mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left". HINT:
The UK becoming a Muslim Nation has NOTHING to do with the topic EVEN if it were true.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Good for the Hungarian Prime Minister.
Of course you "disagree," sadly and dangerously. Good for the Hungarian Prime Minister. There should be more like him.
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Tusko Member (Idle past 122 days) Posts: 615 From: London, UK Joined:
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(When I get the time I will have a look at the video you recommended in your other response, though I having read a bit more about the Frankfurt School Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory on Wikipedia I don't think it has very much to do with actual Marxism. It sounds more like a reactionary appropriation of an obscure offshoot of Marxism.)
As a UK resident, and someone whose experience leads me to believe that Muslims are about as nice as any other minority group, maybe I can put your mind at rest about the UK. It seems to me there isn't much chance of it becoming an Islamic state in the next few decades, if ever. And I would say this was in significant part due to political correctness. To the best of my understanding, being 'politically correct' is about taking a classically liberal approach (liberal in the John Stuart Mill sense, not like Satan) - which is precisely the opposite of embracing a particular religious denomination to the exclusion of all others. That's why I think being politically correct is actually rather wonderful, tolerant, enriching etc... - at least when it means being empathetic, slow to judge, tolerant, and quick to defend people's ability to believe - in their own home at the very least - whatever they wish.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What you are describing in such glowing terms is not political correctness, it's more like Christianity.
Sometimes I just have to think the Left deserves what it's going to get, and leave it at that.
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Tusko Member (Idle past 122 days) Posts: 615 From: London, UK Joined:
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This is maybe a bit of a sidetrack, but I've long been interested in the idea of political correctness. It is a term largely used in a pejorative sense - but if you look beyond the convenient caricature and ask "why would anybody actually think political correctness was a good idea?" then just as you say, it becomes a collection of rather Christian-sounding values - turn the other cheek, beams in eyes, etc... Becuase, as I understand it, the popularisation of the notion of "political correctness" is an attempt to discredit the classical liberal project: personal freedom, responsibility, etc...
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It's a right-wing magic incantation. "Politically correct, "fake news,... and problems with their worldview disappear without being addressed.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well I included a link plus a lot of text from the classical discussion of PC as Marxist in Message 220 and an edited version in Message 226.
Marxism to my mind can be boiled down to the creation of an enemy class versus a good guys class, creating class conflict. It doesn't analyze reality as it claims, it creates the conflict -- between their designated Oppressor and Oppressed, defined quite strictly by Marxists themselves. It's totally phony simpleminded history, which is discussed in the links posted above. Classical Marxism has the proletariat against the bourgeoisie, while Cultural Marxism, and PC, has feminists and gays and now Islam as their Oppressed classes it calls people "racists" and "homophobes" and "Islamophobes" and so on instead of addressing reasonable discussion of related issues in society. It's all about fingerpointing and intimidation, nothing at all good, nothing at all to be compared to Christianity. It attacks PEOPLE rather than ideas, which is one of the main things that makes it evil. That's the reason for the millions murdered in Communist regimes, which will never be acknowledged by the Lefties who haven't yet seen the truth. Which is just about everybody at EvC.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Political Correctness can be boiled down as respect for others. Sometimes it's taken too far, but mostly it's common courtesy.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But it's not, that's just Marxist whitewashing propaganda.
ABE: If it were true at all, how do you explain the way Christianity is vilified by the Left, or now "white people?" No, the "politeness" which is really conformist intimidation, only applies to the "oppressed class" as falsely and tendentiously and politically defined by Leftists. HERE's how it works: Remember Rwanda? The Hutus slaughtered the Tutsis after a history of no conflict. Because somebody got on the radio and told them that the Tutsis were "cockroaches" and didn't deserve to live. It was a Catholic priest who did that. He created the conditions for slaughter by defining one group as evil and the other as good. The more you can invent about how the bad guys have been unfair to the good guys the more of an emotional reaction you'll get. That's what Hitler did too. And it's what Marxism does. And it ultimately leads to murder. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: If it were true at all, how do you explain the way Christianity is vilified by the Left, or now "white people?" Much of today's "Christianity" deserves to not just be vilified but to be actively opposed and condemned. And After Christians of all colors, White Christians and in particular US Christians have been the most successful practitioners of genocide and ethnic cleansing the world has ever seen. Those are simply facts and it is about time such facts were discussed and taught.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
It isn't. ... how do you explain the way Christianity is vilified by the Left...? Christians who act like Christ are admired by left, right and center. The criticism is for self-styled "Christians" who mouth "Lord! Lord!" while kicking the poor in the face by taking their health-care away.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Those are vile lies, a lot of them from Leftist revisionist history, and you are now guilty of spreading them just as the priest did on the radio.
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