A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)

Precisely like if I, in my 50's, decided to start believing in Santa Claus so that he would maybe bring me a telescope for Christmas this year. Not only pointless and wouldn't work, but self-delusional.

Very well, that is a good answer. Thank you, but Santa Claus was real, though I know this is off topic.

Aha! That is true.

I do not belive that demons possess anyone, but they can lead them to do evil things. Ted Bundy, in my opinion, was definatley following the instructions of demons wether he knew it or not. And as for my college training, I hope to become a zoologist with a specialty in large cats, though I will try to take a psych class or two. As for mental disorders, I think that some of them are manipulated by demons.

Well, you will be taking biology then and chemistry and some physics. I think you will enjoy your studies and I wish you the best.lfen

It depends on how you see it. God did create the devil, and he knew or at least let the devil become arrogant and greedy, and he knew or allowed the devil to create demons and abuse people's free will. Some people, including myself, belive that God knew all of these things with the devil would happen, while others are content with the fact that the devil will try to fool you and never try to think why.

That's an interesting take - one that most of the christians here avoid taking.You statement says that God created Evil therefore God=Evil.

That was not what I meant or intended to say. One can exist without evil, at least in heaven. And in no way am I saying that evil is good because God may have(probley) created it. God created cancer, and it is not good, though it is an organism. God created ebola, and that is very, very bad. I suppose that I shouldn't compare disease with evil anways.

So these things happens cause god wants them to happen. Your god allows evil to exist.

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*not an actual doctor

Anyone who beleves that God is omnipotent, and belives that evil exsists, must believe that God allows evil to exsist. Otherwise the god would not be omnipotent.Personaly, I would much rather believe in a less than omnipotent god who is purely good, than an omnipotent god that chooses not to intervene when horrible things happen.This message has been edited by The Dread Dormammu, 11-21-2004 08:08 PM

He only allows evil to exist so that we might choose Him or evil. It's a test really, designed to get people to love Him with their own free will. It's quite nice if you think about it. He loves us so much that He gives us the choice to love Him back.

I known a man who - when asked to believe in Jesus - lost his addictions to drugs and alcohol. The problem with real life, is that - you don't say in these circumstances, "Hey - hang on a minute, we'll do an experiment". Think about it, the man was looking for a place to get high - he gave Jesus a go, and now he hasn't touched any drugs for twenty four years.The authority of people can be given away, by looking at the bible.Example; What would happen if Jesus said yes to satan's Kingdoms of this world? Firstly, why would satan have kingdoms of this world?The biblical explanation suffices. When I man wilfully chooses to sin - he hands over his authority. Don't believe me? Read Genesis one, where God says what his intentions for man are. So man has authority.Conclusion; You don't need to be possesed to do evil acts, but that doesn't mean there are not spiritual wickedness in high places, or evil. Jesus says only God is good, and the heart is desperately wicked.One who is drunken will braul, was his hand forced? He understands not why he gets violent - yet he chooses to drink. Will science be useful to him?Take this as a Christian perspective on the matter.

So if I get my head smashed in or I'm dragged into an alley and raped - it's because he allowed some people to be like that?Gee thanks?However you are still saying that God creates Evil.

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One who is drunken will braul, was his hand forced? He understands not why he gets violent - yet he chooses to drink. Will science be useful to him?

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Well:1) One he clearly had an underlying problem - maybe he was abused by a priest or had a sad upbringing of some other nature.2) Yes - I see that they are not far off approving an inplant that will stop booze affecting the body. So yes Science could be VERY useful for him.

God allowed evil to be created by the devil. I do not find him resposible. He allowed evil to be created so that we would choose Him out of free will. Don't blame him, blame to devil or the attacker if you are raped or have your head smashed in. Life is difficult for a reason. It's easier to choose to be evil, though, isn't it? That's why evil runs so rampant, I think.