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PaulK
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Message 46 of 93 (776990)
01-24-2016 8:58 AM
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01-24-2016 8:52 AM


I'm pointing out that your assertion is obviously false. Your faith even leads you away from understanding the Bible. I know that you don't like that, but it is a clear fact. As demonstrated in the posts I linked to earlier

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Message 47 of 93 (776991)
01-24-2016 9:01 AM
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01-24-2016 8:58 AM


Funny how you so aggressively assert your opinion as if it were fact.

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Message 48 of 93 (776993)
01-24-2016 9:12 AM
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01-24-2016 9:01 AM


And there you go labelling facts as opinions again. Even the commentary you quoted refused to take your hard line of denying any possible fulfilment in the reign of Ahaz. And they didn't understand the prophecy either! (Hint: it is NOT the birth of a child!)
All you are doing is proving my point

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Message 49 of 93 (776994)
01-24-2016 9:14 AM
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01-24-2016 9:12 AM


What ARE you going on about? This thread was off topic far enough without you and dwise deciding to accuse me of who knows what from who knows where on the basis of nothing whatever. Ahaz? On a thread about science? What's with you:?

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Message 50 of 93 (776995)
01-24-2016 9:15 AM
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01-24-2016 4:00 AM


Please, let's keep the focus on the topic and not on the people discussing the topic. If someone makes unsupported assertions then it's only necessary to ask them to provide support. It's not necessary to insult them.

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Message 51 of 93 (776997)
01-24-2016 9:28 AM
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01-24-2016 9:14 AM


I am responding to your claim that your faith brings understanding by pointing to proof that it leads to misunderstanding even your religion's scriptures. And it is the same false certainty that leads you to reject science that contradicts your false certainty by making false attacks upon it.
So it would seem that my posts are closer to the topic than your boast of understanding.
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Message 52 of 93 (776999)
01-24-2016 9:47 AM
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01-24-2016 9:28 AM


You are off the wall. I didn't say one thing about WHAT I understood and you can't just decide what I meant about that, especially since all you are doing is taking the opportunity to accuse me of being wrong about old arguments that of course you were right about in your own estimation. You are playing some kind of weird game. Get off it.

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Message 53 of 93 (777000)
01-24-2016 9:56 AM
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01-24-2016 9:47 AM


If your faith and your certainty causes you to misunderstand the scriptures of your own religion - and obviously so - any claim that your belief brings understanding is suspect.
Likely you just think that you understand - and don't.
This is not a "weird game" - a label you usually apply to truths you refuse to accept - it is relevant to the reasons why some Christians are at odds with science (and make many errors of reasoning - see the link in the OP if you don't see the relevance of that)

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Message 54 of 93 (777010)
01-24-2016 2:14 PM


Topic Reminder
This topic is about the claim that the stereotype that Christians and science don't get along only holds up for particular Christian sects. Message 1 cited the article Researchers Probe Stereotype: Christians And Science Don't Get Along.
If you want to discuss the topic, post away. If there's something else you're discussing, don't post.
Posting on topic isn't rocket science. Some out there have a habit of ignoring as much moderation as they can get away with. I'll be issuing suspensions to those who ignore this, and the length will be a function of past violations. If you've already posted before reading this, better go back and look it over.

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Message 55 of 93 (777051)
01-25-2016 1:26 PM
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01-21-2016 3:10 AM


As far as the article is concerned, the description leading to the authors conclusions seems pretty thin. Their survey explored the idea that Christians believed in the stereotype and performed poorly on tests when they thought that the test was related to a conflict between science and Christianity. Assuming that is true, then at the very least there is a conflict between science and some Christians.
The OP questions a conflict between creationism and Science. But given that the EvC definition of Creationism directly conflicts with the conclusions of science, I don't understand how this points to a stereotype.
I am a Christian. I am not aware that any particular bit of science is an issue for me.
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Message 56 of 93 (810955)
06-03-2017 10:36 AM
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01-21-2016 3:10 AM


Real Christians study and search out truths
I differ Phat, as American Christians is definitely mislabeled, as that set of Christians for the most part (meaning majority) means church Chrisdtians..and if that be the parameter, I definitely agree, because the pastors and preachers of the worldly church system encourage their people NOT to study either the bible nor science nor current events, as wisdom and knowledge makes them harder to control and manipulate.
Real Christians on the other hand stuydy and search like Jesus said to do, and dont get deceived within science nor in the deceptions of nations and their deceptive leaders, nor by the devoid and materialistic churches and church leaders

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Message 57 of 93 (810961)
06-03-2017 11:02 AM
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Re: Real Christians study and search out truths
So you are claiming no possible middle ground? It seems to me that your website has more of your own beliefs than it does beliefs supported by the Bible.
I think that you Christians need to get out of attempting to change science and scientific thinking. Often, Christians make the mistake that suggests that since God or Jesus possesses ultimate creativity and wisdom than it follows that they themselves possess such wisdom and are called to share it.
Our very own Faith is one such example. We allow her to openly express her views because
1) She does no spamming or advertising of any websites she may prefer.
2) She has gotten better at expressing and defending her views in real time! Right here right now! If you care about staying here, you would be wise to attempt to defend your beliefs in your own words. Scriptural references would also be helpful. While I respect your ongoing commitment to repping Jesus I have no respect for you carrying on like a kid at a playground calling evolutionists stupid and ill informed. As of now, you are in the principal's office.
Pray that one day when you meet Jesus in the sky or in Heaven that He gives you a break as well for being a rebel---willfully apart from any church---who feeds his own ego by attempting to mock organized science and having not guts to answer any questions, defend what you believe, or perhaps even respectfully listening to your opponents occasionally. In my estimation, your missionary work here has produced 0 converts thus far. As for the study, any of us here can (and some do) pick up a Bible. What we won't do is be impressed with your website.
The reason is that you yourself have no credibility with us. Humble yourself, David. Quit acting proud as if you have Gods anointing that no one else can see.
Real Christians on the other hand study and search like Jesus said to do, and don't get deceived within science nor in the deceptions of nations and their deceptive leaders, nor by the devoid and materialistic churches and church leaders...
Then teach us the Bible. Don't attempt to "teach" us your theories on why science is whack. You won't get very far.
Again....teach us the Bibles views and what it says.
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Message 58 of 93 (811029)
06-04-2017 10:05 AM
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Re: Christianity and Science are ONE and the SAME
I have been teaching you the bible and science...... and love to defeat evolution as it is not loogical, or scientific or Christian.
Its not my ego, its simple knowledge and wisdom and science based.
Its explainable, but evolutionists want to push and remove all doubters to their religion.
They want to silence opposition as they are not used to answering questions. Why because their answers or any statement of theirs can be opposed rationally and they get very frustrated that people DONT BELIEVE in their doctrine. Therefore they must ****** opposition, in this case ** opposition.
Thanks for allwoing me to prove this HERE**.
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Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Message 59 of 93 (811033)
06-04-2017 10:24 AM
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Re: Christianity and Science are opposites
I have been teaching you the bible and science...
You have been teaching us that religion can poison a mind, through first-hand examples.
self-delusion (self-delusion)
noun
Self-delusion is the act of deceiving one's self.
An example of self-delusion is a person who believes himself to be much smarter than he actually is.
http://www.yourdictionary.com/self-delusion

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If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Message 60 of 93 (811123)
06-05-2017 10:26 AM


CHRISTIANS get along with SCIENCE
Jesus and His Christianity have always agreed with science because He created science and all the laws and all the creations of the Universe. To suggest differently, one would have to be an ********, e*********, or ********.
I have aleardy posted Famous Scientists that were Christians and logical and rational and factual and searched for truths as Jesus told his disciples to search for truths.... in all areas of the life the Lord created.
SEE http://whychristianity.com/
But now the false church system is getting along and siding with false science, in biology called evolution (also called luck and chance philophy). The church system for the most part (also called the majority) now supports the unbiblical evolution historical record because the majority of people always want to be with ther majority opinion.... as they are dumb easily intimidated sheep
So I differ with the topic and title, and would change it to CHRISTIANS get along with SCIENCE
IMHO

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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