Fresh Problem with the Ark

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God may have made the meat-eaters into herbivores for the duration of the trip

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Why offer answers to anything? Food? "God dun it!" Any other problems "god dun it!"Oh and as for rabbits eating their own pellets - yes but this helps rabbits produce vitamins, minerals etc. They would still need actual food for energy (I think - any rabbit experts?).This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 01-15-2005 22:18 AM

Is this fairly mjor miracle (changing the dentition and digestive systems of carnivores so they are herbivores is a pretty big deal you know, 'cos basically you're changing one sort - or should that be kind - of animal into another) mentioned in the Bible ? I'm not particularly familiar with the Bible, so I don't know either way. Are you making this up as you go along ?

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Confused ? You will be...

"Drinking water is an obvious issue."Not at all, it obviously rained a lot, so Noah probablly would have put in ways to get the rain water into trophs.(not sure how to spell it) wooden pipes or even gutters would work, animals aren't very picky over water.As for the water outside the ark, it was all salt, maybe with pockets of fresh water. Many fish can tolerate salt or fresh water, salmon are proof of that. I'm no genetics expert, but I bet tolerance of either kind was in all fish genes, some fish kinds mutated after the flood and lost that ability. That is just speculation though, I wasn't there.When you think about it there really are no problems with the flood of Noah.

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Not at all, it obviously rained a lot

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Enought so that Noah would have be burnt to death along with his ark but that's a different story...

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animals aren't very picky over water.

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Wrong any number are very picky over water.

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Many fish can tolerate salt or fresh water, salmon are proof of that.

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Vast numbers can't - what about them? More "god dun it!"?

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I'm no genetics expert, but I bet tolerance of either kind was in all fish genes, some fish kinds mutated after the flood and lost that ability.

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Quite clearly you are no genetics expert because that's a lot of rubbish.

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When you think about it there really are no problems with the flood of Noah.

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When you think about it, you don't really seem to have much of a clue.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 01-15-2005 22:25 AMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 01-15-2005 22:26 AM

Just thought of another... Isn't hibernation usually associated with lower temperatures ? As in animals hibernate in the winter. Is this climatic change mentioned in the Bible ?I think the Bible says it rained for 40 days and nights then the world was flooded for a year (?), but I don't remember ever hearing of a verse that says it was colder than a witches tit for all that time as well.Was there a pair of brass monkeys on the Ark as well ?

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Confused ? You will be...

CF,
Don't fall for it, dude. You're reading to much science into this. Don't let anyone put God into a box. Can you explain how God made the Israelites' clothes last 40 years without wearing out? Or how God made the Sun stand still for a day? Or how he raised Jesus from the dead? God can do it all, very easily. He is not bound by laws of physics. He's sort of like a PC game programmer who can type in a "cheat code" and blow the "bosses" out the water while the rest of us struggle to figure out how he did it.

See I have no problem with that viewpoint - if people want to believe "god dun it" - good for them. It's when they try and mangle science and say "hey this was all possible without any special interference from god!"

"See I have no problem with that viewpoint - if people want to believe "god dun it" - good for them. It's when they try and mangle science and say "hey this was all possible without any special interference from god!""I never said God couldn't do it, after all he created the World in 6 days, in fact almost everything I said requires God's intervention for it to happen. Hibernations, diet changes, fish tolerance of F-S water. None of that could happen unless God intervined.

Sorry to be so late on this one ...but hey if you have any evidence of such behovioral changes lets see them.also evidence that carnivores once were herbivores while still the same species would be of interest.

Ah so you are just do the basic "god dun it" - why bother with the other stuff? Why not be honest and say "god dun it" rather than trying and made up some stuff you clearly don't understand.

I'd like to echo the reply from Charles Knight.Now I'm just waiting for the US based posters to add "as long as you don't try to put that belief in the Science classroom".

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the rain stopped after the 40/40 bit and the ark floated around for quite a while afterwards. why stop there? you're also no biology expert suggesting that all fish could be tolerant (they aren't) or that animals are not very picky over water, or any kind of hydrology expert (pockets of fresh water) or naval architect (rain troughs, wooden pipes, etc that would sink the boat during the rain period)maybe when you think about it you see no problems because of a limited view?

the only problem is a total lack of any evidence of any kind for any of it.but hey that is just another {god dun it} ... hiding the evidence from honest folk so that only those that keep god in a box (the bible) know ...

"but hey if you have any evidence of such behovioral changes lets see them."Now there is a stupid request, No one here today was there but God and he wrote it down for us. But no one was there to see animals "evolve" over "millions" of years either, yet that is supposed to be proveable. It is not."also evidence that carnivores once were herbivores while still the same species would be of interest."Well aren't you chock full of stupid request today, I said this twice already. Many carnivores today will eat plants if the need comes about, do you deny that? This evidence you want for Carn. turning to Herb. while on the ark can't be found because they were on the ark at the time, it wouldn't have been a lifetime of eating plants, just the time that they were on the ark.

"the only problem is a total lack of any evidence of any kind for any of it."Do you know were to look, try the Grand Canyon, which was carved out by incredible amounts of water very rapidly. A majority of the rock layers were layed down by mudslides during the flood, producing a fossil record of what died first not what "evolved first." All the erosion of rocks said to be pounded by water for thousands of years could have been made by one major catastophe(the flood).