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Author Topic:   Is Something Wrong with Mother Earth?
Juhrahnimo
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Message 31 of 84 (176914)
01-14-2005 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Coragyps
01-13-2005 10:15 PM


As I said....
...this forum is the like the politicians debating each other. You took a sound bite out of my post, then blow it out of proportion. Try to read my post once again, only this time try to expand your span of attention. My post refers to mankind rebelling against God's laws, joing forces with the enemy, then complaing about God not being a better God somehow. We are the onces who messed up his creation (directly or indirectly) or at least supported it by joining forces with the enemy.
Since you say that you don't believe in any Gods, then you've proved my point. But, what DO you believe in? I see only two choices:
1. Either the universe was designed and created, or
2. The universe created itself.
Which is it? I'm not interested in starting a new post on this, but since you engaged me here and now, I'm just curious as to what you DO believe.

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Juhrahnimo
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Message 32 of 84 (176918)
01-14-2005 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by crashfrog
01-13-2005 11:33 PM


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Send me a list of names of sinless human beings who have never broken a commandment, and I'll answer your hypthetical question.
You see, the problem is not "why did those people die?" but rather "why are any of us still alive?" When Cain killed Abel, God could have struck Cain down in an instant; but God showed mercy that we don't understand. We all deserve death for rebelling against the creator and joining forces with the enemy (what would the pentagon do with a platoon of marines who cross over the line and join forces with Osama?), but it's by God mercy that he even lets us continue in life. And he only allows that because he wants to give us a chance to get to know his son as our savior.

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Juhrahnimo
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Message 33 of 84 (176921)
01-14-2005 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by sidelined
01-13-2005 11:09 PM


Re: Something wrong with the earth?
The heavens declare the glory of God. To deny that, is to say that the universe created itself. How could that be?

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Juhrahnimo
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Message 34 of 84 (176922)
01-14-2005 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by NosyNed
01-13-2005 10:12 PM


Re: The God you describe
Maybe I should ask, "What is it that YOU are worshipping?"

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Juhrahnimo
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Message 35 of 84 (176924)
01-14-2005 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by AdminJar
01-13-2005 10:13 PM


Why single out my post?
I only responded to those experienced posters who engaged me. Not sure why you specifically reply to my response to them. My answer to the topic is that YES, there is something wrong with mother earth; we messed it up and continue to mess it up by rebelling against God. If we would turn from our sins and serve God, he would probably save us like he saved Nineveh. Instead, we keep it up just like those in Sodom and Gomorrah. Yes, to the topic, I believe there is certainly something wrong with mother earth.

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AdminJar
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Message 36 of 84 (176933)
01-14-2005 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Juhrahnimo
01-14-2005 9:12 AM


Re: Why single out my post?
If you read the thread you would see that I did not single you out. There are also topic drift warnings directed towards everyone.
But your response to me shows that you may still not understand how to stay on topic.
You said:
My answer to the topic is that YES, there is something wrong with mother earth;...
So far that's fine. It is an assertion that is on topic.
But then you go off on a tangent. You say:
we messed it up and continue to mess it up by rebelling against God. If we would turn from our sins and serve God, he would probably save us like he saved Nineveh. Instead, we keep it up just like those in Sodom and Gomorrah.
None of that has anything to do with the topic. It doesn't adress what is wrong, it doesn't provide any evidence, it doesn't provide any support for your assertion.

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AdminJar
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Message 37 of 84 (176934)
01-14-2005 9:42 AM


Too all posters.
Please, let's try to head back towards the topic.
If you believe something is wrong with Mother Earth, can you please try to provide some evidence to support your assertion.
If you do not believe something is wrong with Mother Earth, then provide your evidence that all is okay.
If this degenerates into another general food-fight it will be closed.

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CK
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Message 38 of 84 (176937)
01-14-2005 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Juhrahnimo
01-13-2005 8:57 PM


Re: Something wrong with the earth?
quote:
Now one for you: Have you shut God out of you life?
That's a good question - well the truth is that I've thought long and hard about it but I can't find any strong evidence for Thor. If you have some evidence, please let me know.
Or maybe it was Zeus you were refering to? Or Allah? or maybe the christian one?

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CK
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Joined: 07-04-2004


Message 39 of 84 (176942)
01-14-2005 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Juhrahnimo
01-14-2005 9:12 AM


Re: Why single out my post?
getting back on topic -what evidence can you point towards that something is wrong with mother earth - that's not a direction to scripture but rather some incident or series of events that you can point towards as evidence?

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nator
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Message 40 of 84 (176946)
01-14-2005 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Juhrahnimo
01-14-2005 8:39 AM


Re: As I said....
quote:
I see only two choices:
1. Either the universe was designed and created, or
2. The universe created itself.
...or the Universe has always existed.
...or another option that we haven't thought of, or don't have the intelligence to even dream up, and never will.
It will probably be the case that we never fully understand where the Universe came from.
Just because you or all of humanity hasn't or will never understand the answer to that question does not mean that the supernatural is involved.
It doesn't mean that it isn't, either, but who can say?
We just don't know, and probably never will.
This uncertainty makes many uncomfortable so they plug some supernatural "explanation" in there, but this is belief without evidence. Which is also fine, but not rational.
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robinrohan
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Message 41 of 84 (176948)
01-14-2005 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by CK
01-14-2005 9:45 AM


Re: Something wrong with the earth?
Charles, have you tried Zoroastrianism?
If you like the meditative nature of a fireplace on a cold winter's night, it might be the one for you.

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CK
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Joined: 07-04-2004


Message 42 of 84 (176950)
01-14-2005 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by robinrohan
01-14-2005 10:01 AM


Re: Something wrong with the earth?
Thanks I'll check it out.

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Abshalom
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Message 43 of 84 (176955)
01-14-2005 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by AdminJar
01-14-2005 9:42 AM


Re: Off Topic
Dear AdminJar:
Before you restrict "on topic" only to evidence of something wrong with Mother Earth, let me point out that the OP includes the topic originators claim that it is Satan that is causing the natural phenomena that plague the globe recently.
He also disrupted my thread (Is the Tsunami the Wrath of God?) with this unsubstatiated thesis, and I entered a long challenge in this thread in an attempt to get him to respond in this topic thread where the subject was a part of the OP.
He has yet to respond with any evidence that it is Satan that is the direct perpetrator of what is "wrong with Mother Earth" (specifically those natural phenomena that he attributes to the powers of Satan without any support from his bible).
I ask that you allow this discussion, and that if you think this thread has wandered off topic, you examine my thread for the same offenses.
Thank you, Abshalom

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Quetzal
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Posts: 3228
Joined: 01-09-2002


Message 44 of 84 (176956)
01-14-2005 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Juhrahnimo
01-14-2005 9:12 AM


Re: Why single out my post?
Ya know what? I agree with both you and Lysimachus: the world IS screwed up. There ARE more famines and more diseases occurring. I'll even agree that some weather-related natural disasters are increasing. However, I have quite a number of well-referenced and observable causal factors that explain why this is occurring that have nothing at all to do with any supernatural war god invented by a tribe of Bronze Age nomadic goat herders. Since there is no evidence of the latter, which set of factors should we examine? The ones we can actually do something about, or the ones that cause us to simply give up and plan for the End? Hmm, tough call, eh?

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crashfrog
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Posts: 19762
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Message 45 of 84 (176965)
01-14-2005 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Juhrahnimo
01-14-2005 8:49 AM


Send me a list of names of sinless human beings who have never broken a commandment, and I'll answer your hypthetical question.
How about you not engage in these diversions and actually answer the question.

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