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Aximili23 Inactive Member |
Many have commented on the poor state of science education in the US. Now we know what the Bush administration is doing about it.
quote: quote: I find it typical that rather than find solutions to the problem, the government is trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2492 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Yeah, under Bush schools score an A+ in science because education has been cut back so much A is the only letter they have time to teach in English class
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It's all part of the
let no child get ahead program
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AdminBen Inactive Member |
Can I ask how you think this new item is related to the creation / evolution debate? I don't see the relationship.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
you mean, the state of science education? i think that's pretty directly related.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I find it typical that rather than find solutions to the problem, the government is trying to pretend it doesn't exist. if you lie enough, and enough people believe it, does that make it true?
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AdminBen Inactive Member |
Arach,
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Can you clarify how you think the state of science education is related to the creation vs. evolution debate? well, uh, evolution is a major theory in science, and "the state of science education" is generally code-word for "should we be teaching creationism in schools?" it's basically the only thing under debate was far as quality of science education. we're not talking about whether or not newtonian mechanics should be taught, are we?
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AdminBen Inactive Member |
"the state of science education" is generally code-word for "should we be teaching creationism in schools?" Maybe generally, but I'm not seeing it here. Maybe you could be more specific to this particular article? The government funded media releases that put a positive spin on current science education (which was found to be bad). In what way is this related to teaching creationism in science classrooms? Maybe it's in the article; I couldn't read it because I didn't register for the NYTimes. I'm going off the original paste and comment only. But from what I read, I can't figure out the connection. Are you reading something that I'm not?
it's basically the only thing under debate was far as quality of science education. we're not talking about whether or not newtonian mechanics should be taught, are we? We're not talking about that. My assumption is that "quality" in this article doesn't mean "what we teach" but rather "how well are we teaching it?" or "what percentage of our kids are learning what we do teach?" Is there something in the article that made you think it's about the content? Maybe I'm really dense today. Wouldn't the government want to put a NEGATIVE spin on the state of today's science education if the issue was whether or not to teach creationism? That way, they could say the content is bad because we're not teaching creationism. Why in the world would the government want to put a positive spin on the state of science education if the government wants to add creationism to the curriculum? Thanks.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
In what way is this related to teaching creationism in science classrooms? implied, i think. i got the connection immediately. we have an administration that's creationist, actual science education (especially with regards to evolution, ie: kansas) is declining, and they LIKE that. bad science = promotion of creationism = happy government.
My assumption is that "quality" in this article doesn't mean "what we teach" but rather "how well are we teaching it?" or "what percentage of our kids are learning what we do teach?" not familiar with politicspeak? and frankly, if students were taught the scientific method with any degree of quality, or made familiar with basic areas of science like biology, geology, or chemistry, there would be no creationism-education debate. the decline in actual quality of science education is a contributing factor to creationism.
Maybe I'm really dense today. Wouldn't the government want to put a NEGATIVE spin on the state of today's science education if the issue was whether or not to teach creationism? That way, they could say the content is bad because we're not teaching creationism. Why in the world would the government want to put a positive spin on the state of science education if the government wants to add creationism to the curriculum? because they ARE. they're getting the foot in the door, getting disclaimers read that defeat the whole idea of science. science education is bad, and they like it that way This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 10-02-2005 06:38 PM
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AdminBen Inactive Member |
I'm catching on... slowly.
Thanks (and thanks to Jar and nwr in chat) for making this connection.
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