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U can call me Cookie Member (Idle past 4975 days) Posts: 228 From: jo'burg, RSA Joined: |
okay...maybe it was thick ice
BBC writes: Jesus may not have walked on water as the Bible claims but rather skated on ice formed through a freak cold spell, a scientific study has found. Rare atmospheric and water conditions could have caused ice to form on the freshwater Sea of Galilee. The research shows a period of cooler weather swept what is now northern Israel from 1,500 to 2,600 years ago. Sub-zero temperatures could have caused the formation of ice thick enough to support the weight of a man. Did Jesus walk on water - or ice? Could this be a valid naturalistic explanation for a "miracle"? What do you think?
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Funkaloyd Inactive Member |
Like the scientific explanations for the parting of the Red Sea (see No webpage found at provided URL: http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=210142004) this just comes across as ridiculous.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1011 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
I agree.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4981 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
This message has been edited by Brian, Saturday, 08-04-2006 05:03 AM This message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 04-08-2006 10:22 AM
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Tusko Member (Idle past 123 days) Posts: 615 From: London, UK Joined: |
Sounds utterly barking to me, but what do I know?
I think your post raises an interesting issue though: why are some people obsessed with finding naturalistic explanations for biblical events? It seems to be a pointless exercise in ahistoricity. Yes, its possible that Paul's Damascene Moment(TM) was the result of his epilepsy, but for the love of Pete - haven't you also considered that as well as that possibility, or the possibility of God doing it, there could be any number of other causes, or that it might not have happened as he said, or that it might not have happened at all? It seems to be the result of failing to try to read texts in their historical context. [a drop of clarification in the edit] This message has been edited by Tusko, 08-Apr-2006 04:38 PM
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6103 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: Do you believe that Christ existed? If so then the son of an all-powerful God?This ice thing is not a new thing in the attempt to reduce HIM to a naturalistic explanation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Dorfman writes: Do you believe that Christ existed? If so then the son of an all-powerful God?This ice thing is not a new thing in the attempt to reduce HIM to a naturalistic explanation. True. The DaVinci Code and other such "cash-in" books....as well as the latest Gospel of Judas controversy. I see it as entrepeneurs seeking to cash in on an old, old story.
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Jman Inactive Member |
Wow dude Do you think those guys would be out fishing with nets and stuff if the sea were iced over? I mean what were they doing in their boat anyway in weather like that? They shoulda been inside eating and having some wine. Yeah!
Oh someone else mentioned the Red Sea thing too in an answer. Come on guys everyone knows that Moses led his people through the sea of reeds. It was really, like big you know?, and always wet and boggy. But big Mo was from those parts and knew all the moves. He knew about a dry path and used it. It was OK for people but not for horsies who were way heavy and got all bogged down and stuck and like heavy man cause all the Egyptian amry guys had to walk all the way back to the barracks. Bummer! Later people were drinking lotsa more wine and the story got changed to the "Red Sea got parted". See? Too much wine will do it every time. Walk on water? Yeah here's how Jesus did it. He became one with the water and so did not sink. Hey explain that to me! OK. You know, like after Jesus resurfaced from the tomb on Easter he was in like a Light Body. This was his "God" body. The atoms and stuff are not packed as close so it floats. Cool huh? Well he did the same thing years before to walk on the water. Hey if you are lighter than the water you won't sink. Can He do that? Sure. Piece O cake. See Jman always has perfectly natural explainations for spiritual stuff. It's all easy. This message has been edited by Jman, 04-09-2006 01:19 PM
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
This ice thing is not a new thing in the attempt to reduce HIM to a naturalistic explanation. That is only one way to look at it. Another way is to see it as an attempt to make those who believe in fairly tales look less foolish. In other words, this is one attempt to show that some of the Biblical tales may have a basis in fact rather than being made up out of nothing. These explanations allow for the actual existance of Christ and the actual occurance of something resembling the Bible stories.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
U can call me Cookie
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4132 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Or it didn't happen at all and it was a story to amaze the converts
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Another way is to see it as an attempt to make those who believe in fairly tales look less foolish. In other words, this is one attempt to show that some of the Biblical tales may have a basis in fact rather than being made up out of nothing. These explanations allow for the actual existance of Christ and the actual occurance of something resembling the Bible stories. That does appear to be the motive, but it is quite wrongheaded, as much of the great value of the gospel is in the "foolish" supernatural facts of it. If Jesus didn't miraculously walk on water the gospel loses its meaning. So an attempt to conform the gospel to the notions of this world is the last thing a Christian can desire. We are SUPPOSED to be foolish to the unbeliever. If we aren't, THEN we should worry.
1Cr 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Cr 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
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cj4840 Inactive Member |
I'm sorry Funkaloyd but i have to agree with Tom Parfitt by the caculations and by the information he has enough information to back up his theory and i have to say it is quit convincing and it has put new perpectives in to my mind to deal with.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
cj4840 writes: Welcome to EvC, cj! There will never be a definite answer between faith and fact until we die! Picture a point on a number line. [ . ] I'm sorry Funkaloyd but i have to agree with Tom Parfitt by the caculations and by the information he has enough information to back up his theory and i have to say it is quit convincing and it has put new perpectives in to my mind to deal with.Now picture metaphorically all reality being this point of reference. Now picture two points. [ . ] and [ . ] reality has changed from the option of only door#1 to the endless options of doors 1-infinity. If I have strayed too far off topic and thoroughly confused you, please let me know!
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cj4840 Inactive Member |
No you have not strayed off topic and lost me, but i'm only posing my poposition on that topic. =O yes and thank you for welcoming me.
This message has been edited by cj4840, 04-10-2006 05:59 PM
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