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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buz asserts:
quote: Yes, we expected you to make such an assertion, but that is all it is so far. The facts are: There has been a call for a ceasefire for humanitarian reasons and to allow for diplomatic discussions and the possibility of a diplomatic resolution. Israel turned down the offer. You can try to spin those facts anyway you want, however they are still the facts. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
Israel has turned down a mediated ceasefire. There shouldn't even be mediation between terrorists and a nation. That legitimizes what is only criminal activity on Hezbollah's part. The Canadian general who spoke on the UN attack gave this opinion too. Link in Message 92 in case you missed it. Holy Nationalist Supremacy, Batman! There shouldn't even be mediation between terrorists and a nation. That legitimizes what is only criminal activity on the colonials' part. The British general who spoke on the colonials' attacks gave this opinion too. Link in {msg=1776} in case you missed it. Lucky for Israel...they managed to bomb their way to statehood before the rules changed. God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ”Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’ --Ann Coulter, Fox-TV: Hannity & Colmes, 20 Jun 01 Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Holmes writes: You didn't answer my questions. I think that is telling, don't you? There are international laws which govern (or are supposed to govern) the actions of NATIONS. Yes, terrorists do not as well as what are becoming referred to as "rogue nations". But legitimate nations are measured by their adherence to such laws. My answer was that UN observers sat in southern quietly for years watching Hezbollah's massive arms/military buildup on Lebanon's southern border when in fact their own law/resolution 1559 required Hezbollah, being a political/ideological entity, to disarm. I also produced evidence of UN's serious pro-Islamic and anti Israel bias. When rogue nations violate by invasion and disregard to the rules, ligitimate nations must do what is needed to compensate or the rogue nations/terrorists win, expanding terrorism and tyranny into the legitimate nations who by those laws are disadvantaged. It's like you ban guns, the criminals end up armed leaving good citizens defenseless. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
The fact is that no matter what the reason, it seriously hinder's Israel's objective and serves Hezbollah's desperate need to resupply and regroup. At the height of intense warfare no army can simply stop and let the enemy catch up. That's like at the Super Bowl, the winning team must allow the loosers to rest and recoup before proceeding.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
buz writes: The fact is that no matter what the reason, it seriously hinder's Israel's objective and serves Hezbollah's desperate need to resupply and regroup. At the height of intense warfare no army can simply stop and let the enemy catch up. That's like at the Super Bowl, the winning team must allow the loosers to rest and recoup before proceeding. Yet more assertions and a really silly analogy. The facts remain Buz. A humanitarian ceasefire was offered to allow time for the possibility of a diplomatic settlement. Israel turned it down. Facts are facts. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Huh? a "humanitarian ceasefire" eh?
You are ignoring the facts buzz mentionedhere. The ceasefire was proposed after Hizbollah made their attack and were suffering defeat. So it's not just a humanitarian ceasefire, but a ceasefire aiding and helping Hizbollah.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The facts remain:
A ceasefire has been offered to allow humanitarian relief as well as the possibility of a diplomatic resolution. Israel turned down the ceasefire. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Why?
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6353 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
There shouldn't even be mediation between terrorists and a nation. So you don't approve of the peace process in Northern Ireland then? After all, one of the key factors in that has been Britain talking to the IRA - even if only indirectly. Oops! Wrong Planet
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why what?
The facts remain. A ceasefire was offered to allow humanitarian aid and to provide the possibility of a diplomatic settlement. Israel turned it down. Thems the facts. All else is speculation. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
There has been a call for a ceasefire for humanitarian reasons and to allow for diplomatic discussions and the possibility of a diplomatic resolution. Israel turned down the offer. You can try to spin those facts anyway you want, however they are still the facts. A fact is not a fact because someone says something is what they say it is. You do know it is folk at EvC you are talking to, not some kindergaarten troupe
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Fact:
About 600 Lebanese killed, about 200 of them children.
The UN says some 600 people - about a third of them children - have been killed by Israeli action in Lebanon. Fact: Fifty-one Israelis have been killed, at least 18 of them civilians.
A total of 51 Israelis, including at least 18 civilians, have been killed during the conflict. Fact: Israel turned down a three day ceasefire.
Earlier, Israel rejected a UN call for a three-day truce in southern Lebanon. Fact: Israel says fight may intensify.
Meanwhile, Israeli military sources have indicated that the fighting could intensify. Fact: Israel continues to target UN observers.
A separate strike wounded two UN monitors in their observation post, the UN said, days after four were killed. Fact: Israel continues to target routes of egress from the area.
An Israeli air strike has closed the main border crossing from Lebanon into Syria, witnesses and officials say. Source Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The thing I don't understand is why Israel bombed so much of Lebanon's infrastructure. Now, if they bombed Damascus, that'd be perfectly legitimate, imo, or Tehran. Listen to the Canadian general I linked to in Message 92, Randman. Hezbollah HAS lots of infrastructure. And Israel's bombing has been confined to the area where Hezbollah hangs out. Beirut proper has not been bombed.
Lately Israel's gov seems to be under so much pressure they've been driven mad. Driving Israelis from their farms in Gaza, giving them to Hamas, and then destroying Gaza makes no sense whatsoever. I think it makes perfect sense considering the tactics of their enemy. First they are forced to give up the land in Gaza by international pressure. Everybody on Israel's side knew it was just a terrorist game they were giving into and so did they. Then of course the terrorist purpose becomes obvious and they have to retaliate. This is a typical pattern. Duplicity from the Palestinians, world opinion supporting it, Israel gives in, then has to react to the inevitable terrorist advantage that created.
Nor does it make sense to destroy lebanon, imo. Lebanon proper is not being destroyed. Twelve square blocks of Beirut have been levelled, where Hezbollah camps out, plus various things Hezbollah has control over. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There shouldn't even be mediation between terrorists and a nation. That legitimizes what is only criminal activity on the colonials' part. The British general who spoke on the colonials' attacks gave this opinion too. Link in {msg=1776} in case you missed it. Yeah, you all love to spin recognized terrorist organizations into romantic freedom fighters, and make a false equivalence with the American revolutionaries. To do that you have to ignore their ideological motives, which are far from freedom motives. The American colonists really WERE fighting for freedom, and in fact were very cautious about arriving at their decision to do so against what they still considered to be their motherland. NO comparison. NONE. Do listen to the link in Message 92. The guy is very levelheaded and credible and he explains it well. Edited by Faith, : To break up run-on sentence.
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
If civilians getting killed is a reason in itself to cease fire for humanitarian reasons then why have war at all where civilians can get killed? Should the US call a ceasefire in Iraq. Should the Allies have called a ceasefire before Dresden and Hiroshima.
It seems to me that the world is a little more complex than that Jar. And that is a fact too Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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