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Author | Topic: I read that "there are no winners in this debate" | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Jeremy Inactive Member |
Are there winners in debates? If there are could you tell me how one "wins" a debate. I'm very new at all this so abbreviations mean nothing to me so if I could get a list of some of the abbreviations I would find that very helpful. Not only so I could use them but so that I could understand some of the things said to me in others replies to what I said. Any help you can give me here I would find very useful. Thanks.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Are there winners in debates? On this fourm? You bet. If you win, you get prizes and stuff.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Just to give you an example, there is this one poster, who goes by the name of Faith, who won so many debates she was awarded the prestigious position of "moderator" (like an umpire). Pretty impressive.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
ha!
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Some members
(who shall remain nameless) feel that if you repeat the exact same thing over and over again, regardless of the responses of your opponents, then you win the debate. Edited by AdminBen to remove inappropriate content. This message has been edited by AdminBen, Thursday, 2005/10/13 04:13 PM "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
use not vain repetitions, as the heathens do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
If there are could you tell me how one "wins" a debate. Victory is, of course, informal, but you're generally considered to win when one or more of the following conditions is met: 1) Your opponent leaves the forum.2) Your opponent stops addressing your points and begins to post nothing but invective directed at you. 3) Your opponent changes the subject and refuses to respond to attempts to change it back. 4) Your opponent declares victory. That last one is especially crucial. Nobody who wins debates declares victory during the debate. Later, you may refer to a victory, but declaring victory while the debate still rages is always a dodge to conceal a losing position; that's certainly how its going to be percieved. Also, there's a general internet loss condition called "Godwin's Law", roughly defined as "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." The implication is that the first participant to make an improper comparison to Hitler or Nazis (generally in the form of an ad hominem) automatically loses the argument.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Hey, good idea, crash! I have another one for you:
Your opponent starts talking about the motivations for your opinions, how you must really feel. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Your opponent starts talking about the motivations for your opinions, how you must really feel. Mm, good one. Here's another - when your opponent dismisses what you actually wrote and replies to what he knows you actually meant.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
A handy way to win is to toss out various names of fallacies. A couple of these and it's generally over. It is not necessary to explain in what way the opponent has employed the fallacy. A mere labelling will do.
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
It also helps if you call them 'falluses' instead of 'fallacies'. It usually results in crashfrogs win condition no. 1.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Asking politely if your opponent is "on drugs" is an excellent argumentative technique.
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AdminBen Inactive Member |
Forum Guidelines writes: 10. Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics. Chiro, Feel free to make jokes about your buddies here. Be much more careful and considerate of your debate partners. I don't see how the poster you're "not mentioning" would take this as anything other than an insult. There's no need for it. I've edited out the content. Please consider this a warning as well; I don't want to revisit this topic. Complaints? Comments? Questions? Follow the appropriate link in the sig. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
The "winning" is if you learn something. You learn how to present you own views more clearly and find out errors in your facts or line of reasoning.
Winning is also learning about what others believe and what thinking processes they use. There is a tiny chance here of actually changing anyone else's mind in a major way. That shouldn't be your aim. In formal debates with a moderator the audience decides who wins or the moderator or a panel of judges. That isn't what we do here unless we have a "Great Debate" topic. Acronyms: They all fly out of my mind when I try to tying of them: OP -- the opening post of a thread. Generally msg number 1.OT -- off topic, a post that is discussing something not related to the OP IIRC -- If I Recall Correctly -- a reminder to yourself more than others that you may have this wrong -- also letting us know that you are "winging it" from memory. This message has been edited by NosyNed, 10-13-2005 07:44 PM
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
IMO--in my opinion.
IMHO--in my humble opinion IMVVHO--I have no knowledge of what I'm talking about ABE--added by edit Bump--this term was explained to me, but I still don't get it
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