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riVeRraT
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Message 31 of 134 (308029)
04-30-2006 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by kalimero
04-30-2006 10:34 AM


Re: I love it
So its either getting an education or beleiving in God?
Did you deduce that all on your own?
Interesting,
1. I never know one can see another persons heart through his eyes.
2. Even if you could how would you know what you were seeing?
3. I never knew that the gospel (whatever that is) can repair cardial muscles.
It's silly to debate this. You knew exactly what I was talking about. You use it in your own life.
If they did, would you beleive them?
I may be going out on a limb here, but I bet you everyone has lied at some point in their lives.
What's the big deal? You are what you are.
Wow...really?
Yes, really. If you live by logic thinking, and tangeble evidences, then why not just admit what you are, whats the big deal?
So for those who dont beleive in science, its not a rock?
I believe in science, I believe it is from God. I also believe in God. The bible says if we do not worship God, the rocks will. So to me, it is more than just a rock, it is the beauty of creation. A deeper interpretation, that involves the subjective, that separates me from someone who doesn't believe in God.
Not true,
lie (see verb) Lie Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
liar (noun) Liar Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
If I wright then I'm a wrighter?
If I run then I'm a runner?
ext...
OMG dude, in all your wit you couldn't figure this one out?
God is not concerned with time. He will look back on the events that took place in your life, and judge them real time. Liar.
Is it a 'good show' because it 'works wonders'?
Shallow.

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ohnhai
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Message 32 of 134 (308042)
04-30-2006 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by riVeRraT
04-30-2006 6:41 PM


Re: I love it
Yes, really. If you live by logic thinking, and tangeble evidences, then why not just admit what you are, whats the big deal?
and conversely if you live by myth and non existant evidence, then why not just admit what you are, whats the big deal?

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Message 33 of 134 (308043)
04-30-2006 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by riVeRraT
04-30-2006 6:33 PM


Re: I love it
The people are accusing themselves.
Well the guy in the video does accuse himself, but in a very unrealistic way. As Chiroptera said, he just appears to be a staged sterotypical atheist.
It is a sin, according to the bible, we are all sinners, saved by Jesus.
That's fine, but I honestly think that viewing your sex drive as a sin is kind of a wierd thing to do.

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sidelined
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Message 34 of 134 (308102)
04-30-2006 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by riVeRraT
04-30-2006 6:33 PM


Re: I love it
riVeRrat
Son Goku writes:
It's the adulterer part that frightens me. This amounts to saying that being a hetrosexual guy with a healthy sex drive is wrong/a sin.
It is a sin, according to the bible, we are all sinners, saved by Jesus.
So God gives people a healthy sex drive and then he makes the sex drive a sin? Nice gig if you can get it.

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arachnophilia
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Message 35 of 134 (308127)
05-01-2006 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Chronos
04-28-2006 10:32 PM


Kirk Cameron is basically my hero.
look at all the fantastic people athiests have! dawkins, and gould, einstein, asimov, ernest hemingway and arthur c. clarke, john lennon...
who do the christian fundamentalists have? kirk cameron and chuck norris.
whatever, chuck norris and kirk cameron could kick all those other guys asses.


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lfen
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Message 36 of 134 (308133)
05-01-2006 1:33 AM
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04-30-2006 10:28 PM


Re: I love it
So God gives people a healthy sex drive and then he makes the sex drive a sin?
I think it had to do with eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Having said that, I've no idea what it could have been. Maybe, Adam and Eve had no imagination before that?
lfen

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arachnophilia
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Message 37 of 134 (308137)
05-01-2006 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Modulous
04-27-2006 10:20 AM


This is classic gold, as soon as you said the banana thing, I knew what the show was. There is a humorous piece about it here, fantastically titled: Argumentum ad Bananum
i had a banana tonight, and i thoroughly enjoyed laughing at kirk cameron the whole time.


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Modulous
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Message 38 of 134 (308157)
05-01-2006 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by riVeRraT
04-30-2006 6:31 PM


its easy to convert a person that believes whatever you say
They believed what they learned in school.
Yes I know, the people in question went through school and simply believed whatever they were told and (if you look at the interviews) clearly have not researched or critically examined (or given much thought to) the subjects they are being interviewed about (the big bang is where a rock from another planet hit earth?). It seems these people are the kind of people that believe what they were told in school, without questioning it, they didn't really learn the stuff and clearly don't remember what they were told. They are the kind of people that believe whatever you (as in, an authority) tell them. It is easy to convert this kind of person, that was the lesson of the day
I wonder if they interview people who know what they are talking about? Do they just neglect to show those? Is that a form of dishonesty? I guess that's a debate for another day

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riVeRraT
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Message 39 of 134 (308178)
05-01-2006 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Modulous
05-01-2006 6:04 AM


Re: its easy to convert a person that believes whatever you say
I wonder if they interview people who know what they are talking about? Do they just neglect to show those? Is that a form of dishonesty?
I would like to see that.

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riVeRraT
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Message 40 of 134 (308179)
05-01-2006 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by ohnhai
04-30-2006 7:00 PM


Re: I love it
and conversely if you live by myth and non existant evidence, then why not just admit what you are, whats the big deal?
The events recorded in the NT are pretty rock solid.
Non existant evidence? I think not. I have evidence, plenty of it. It is just subjective, bordering on the objective.
But yea, I believe by faith, no problem.

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riVeRraT
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Message 41 of 134 (308180)
05-01-2006 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by sidelined
04-30-2006 10:28 PM


Re: I love it
So God gives people a healthy sex drive and then he makes the sex drive a sin? Nice gig if you can get it.
Are you saying that everything that feels good should not be a sin?

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sidelined
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Message 42 of 134 (308185)
05-01-2006 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ohnhai
04-26-2006 8:21 PM


ohnhai
but what struck me as funny was the assertion that not onlyare we Atheists non-existant walking sacks of Immorality anf vice but also that we are un-intelectual too.
Well, Ohnhai, it would seem we atheists are doomed to suffer without the common sense of these two intellectual giants Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron and I suppose we will always fall short of the stunning insights into the world of science and critical thinking that these two display here.
Of course they are raised on the chick tracts Chick.com: Request Free Catalog level of explanation and can be forgiven for finding it easier to parrot than to question.
Of course I am just a non existant walking sack of immorality and vice so I could be wrong.

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FliesOnly
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Message 43 of 134 (308198)
05-01-2006 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ohnhai
04-26-2006 8:21 PM


I couldn't get through it all
Hi ohnhai:
I have to confess, I couldn't even get through the whole thing. It was so pathetic that I had to stop watching. However, I did make it through the "banana thing" and boy, if that's was not a hidden confession to being gay, I'm not sure what would be.
Edited to fix a typo.
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Omnivorous
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Message 44 of 134 (308201)
05-01-2006 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by riVeRraT
05-01-2006 9:10 AM


Re: I love it
Are you saying that everything that feels good should not be a sin?
If something feels good and does no harm to others, why should it be a sin?
If it feels good and does do harm to someone, then a moral calculus must determine whether the right to that pleasure outweighs the harm to another or vice versa--for example, Johnny taking Mary Lou to summer drive-in frolics might cause "harm" to Peggy Sue's feelings, but Peggy Sue has no right to deprive Mary Lou or her date of their pleasures.
Of course, if Johnny and Peggy Sue are married and share an expectation of fidelity, the harm is demonstrable and morally trumps Johnny's and Mary Lou's rights to pleasure: seems pretty straightforward.
Is there some element of moral arithmetic that I've missed in this equation?

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ohnhai
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Message 45 of 134 (308208)
05-01-2006 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by riVeRraT
05-01-2006 9:09 AM


Re: I love it
Ahh, the joys of 'restricted binary logic'....

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