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Chronos Member (Idle past 6253 days) Posts: 102 From: Macomb, Mi, USA Joined: |
Another thing to note is that if evolution was my belief, I would gratify myself as much as is possible. Physical elation would be more important to me than anything else... even more important to procreation. I can't blame an evolutionist for doing drugs or using women. I probably would. Bullshit. Accepting that existing species were forged through decent with modification over the ages hasn't changed my moral outlook at all. The would is just as beautiful and life is just as wonderful. And of course, maximizing physical pleasure at the expense of the wellbeing of yourself and others is an evolutionary disadvantage.
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Chronos Member (Idle past 6253 days) Posts: 102 From: Macomb, Mi, USA Joined: |
The philosophy of Harry Potter and Evolutionism: Would Voldemort be an Evolutionist? His actions are consistent with the belief. How would you go about determining if actions are consistent with accepting evolutionary theory?
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Chronos Member (Idle past 6253 days) Posts: 102 From: Macomb, Mi, USA Joined: |
As to life being precious, that's fine that you feel that way, but as we all know, feelings don't change people's minds. Without a stronger authority, you will get weirdos who kill people in the name of evolution... including themselves... and I fail to see how you can justify condemning their actions. Since evolutionary theory makes no statements regarding morality or the value of life, you would have to condemn them on other grounds.
(BTW, I know it works both ways.. people killing others in the name of Christ... but you have to understand that it's not logically cohesive. Jesus preached love unto death.) "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [It is] God that justifieth." Rom 8:33
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brianforbes Inactive Member |
I wanted to make clear that I value logic. I believe it should have a stronger pull in what we do than emotions.
The problem, however, is that Evolutionism doesn't address emotional concerns. That's why when I bring them up I get no good answers. It's not that I want everyone to be emotional. It's that we are. It's a fact. I didn't say it so as to call it into existence. I said it because it is true. Unless Evolutionism addresses people's emotional concerns, it will always be subservient to the religions and world-views that do. This message has been edited by brianforbes, 05-11-2006 08:55 PM
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brianforbes Inactive Member |
And of course, maximizing physical pleasure at the expense of the wellbeing of yourself and others is an evolutionary disadvantage. Why should I be concerned for my future generations? So what?
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
The problem, however, is that Evolutionism doesn't address emotional concerns.
I'm not sure what "evolutionism" is. As far as I know, it is some sort of mythical religion that creationists invent, as part of their campaign to discredit science. The theory of evolution is part of biology. The emotions are studied in psychology. I'm not sure what you would expect evolution to say about emotions, other than that they are a product of evolution. The science that studies emotional concerns is psychology, not biology.
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brianforbes Inactive Member |
How would you go about determining if actions are consistent with accepting evolutionary theory? 1. I would learn the theory.2. I would consider the ends that the premises lead to. 3. I would determine if a is consistent with b. a. God does not exist because if he did he'd be a cruel or indifferent one. That comes out of the morbid nature of how we came to be.b. I cannot justify believing in eternal life because I can't measure it against the scientific method. Therefore, nothing that I do or say matters... just like today, not much of what I did 20 years ago matters... heck I don't even remember most of the stuff I did before I was 10, so it didn't matter either. I justify the fact that it doesn't matter because I once had a procedure that involved a tube down my throat. I was supposed to be awake but forgetful. The procedure wouldn't have mattered to me now if I hadn't remembered it, but I do... so it sucks and I never want to do it again. If we die, we don't remember anything. Most won't remember any of us in 3 generations, so we're gone altogether. It doesn't matter.
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brianforbes Inactive Member |
It's obvious to me that you're not internalizing what I'm saying. I said that the categorizing of subjects is too convenient to let it slide. You categorize because you CAN'T answer emotional concerns such as the ones I've addressed if you believe in Evolution.
"Evolutionism" is a religion for those who believe in the idea that nature evolved from common ancestors. It does not address emotional concerns because it's inept.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why is it that EVERY major US Christian Church supports teaching the TOE and opposes teach Biblical Creationism. Why is it over 10,000 US Christian Clergy signed an open letter supporting the TOE? Why do Christian Clergy subscribe to:
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. Not only do your posts show you don't have a clue about the TOE, they show you don't even have a clue about Christianity or Theology. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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brianforbes Inactive Member |
How about some of those solid, undisputed facts for the proof of evolution I called for earlier. Perhaps only 3 people are reading these posts. Perhaps there are no solid evidences for your religion. Perhaps it's ALL inference. Wasn't that my original point?
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Another thing to note is that if evolution was my belief, I would gratify myself as much as is possible. Physical elation would be more important to me than anything else... even more important to procreation. I can't blame an evolutionist for doing drugs or using women. I probably would.
nice demonizing of people you have no clue about. eather you really believe that accepting evolution means you have no ethics or you are a troll,i am leaning to the latter, because the former scares me in how short sighted and ignorent you are This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 05-11-2006 09:31 PM
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brianforbes Inactive Member |
Not only do your posts show you don't have a clue about the TOE, they show you don't even have a clue about Christianity or Theology. Um hmm.. I'm sure you'll find those same churches say something to the effect that being gay is not condemned in the bible. I'm sure your figure of EVERY major church supporting it is quite accurate. Plus, the bandwagon has never been the place for me. I'd have never won a popularity contest in all my life. Um hmm... Now.. solid, undisputed evidence.
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brianforbes Inactive Member |
nice demonizing of people you have no clue about. eather you really believe that accepting evolution means you have no ethics or you are a troll, i am leaning to the latter, because the former scares me in how short sighted and ignorent you are I'm not saying you're living consistently with how I would.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
It's obvious to me that you're not internalizing what I'm saying. I said that the categorizing of subjects is too convenient to let it slide. You categorize because you CAN'T answer emotional concerns such as the ones I've addressed if you believe in Evolution. its a bloody theory for gods sake! it has nothing to do with emotion. look somewhere else for theories that directly relate to emotions, they are basicly irrelevent when talking about a biological theory
"Evolutionism" is a religion for those who believe in the idea that nature evolved from common ancestors. It does not address emotional concerns because it's inept.
Evolutionism is a made up word to make science look bad. It doesn't address emotions because the concerns are irrelevent to the ToE.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
I'm not saying you're living consistently with how I would.
ok you need to put the pipe down and stay away from the brown acid
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