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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
RazD
Just curious, but what happens to these gentle mid ocean waves when they come ashore? Didn't Bruce Brown do some films of that kind of stuff? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5591 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Noticed you all never addressed the japanese buoy that has a hole in the bottom, and doesn't fill up with water, floats fine, guess time to claim victory, you all are designing your boats to float on the surface, not in the waters, etc...
P.S. Guess I'll just spin my wheels (makes more sense than the water shortage in californian cities, where they pour water in the desert to grow oranges, makes more sense the solution in california to rising electric costs is to not build electric power plants in California), the democrats solution to rising gas prices is to not drill for oil/gas in Alaska, or off shore florida), guess I'll just spin my wheels, that the ark floated, had a forced air ventilation, big hole in the bottom, and floated quite well, cause it was designed to float in the waters and not on the waters, the mighty trout, the coho salmon, the dolphin all bearing testimony how they defy gravity, because they are in the waters, and not on the waters, etc...
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If you look at the water wave animation you will see a point at which the water motion would be affected by shallow bottoms, the wave base slows down, wavelength decreases and the waves pile up until they break.
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Tell ya what whatever, provide a link to the design information on the japanese buoys so we can see exactly how they work (I'd love to see it).
Having done a google on the state of wave motion devices and their less than stellar results, AND not finding anything on them, I'm not holding my breath. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5591 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Raz, You pictures explain why I seemed to go faster on my friends seado's riding the wave crest, compared to riding in the valleys, etc...
P.S. I can kinda hear you, about your parachute anchors, though think if you would anchor below these wave energies, the ark would be the hammer, and the wave would flow around the ark, that it wouldn't matter if it rose up and down, thats my reasoning of the arked design, why a tri-hull would be battered by your wave energies, but a v hull would not, etc... This message has been edited by whatever, 05-04-2004 09:56 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Gee, so if the waves started to move over the land mass they would get taller and sharper?
Kinda like the Bonzai Pipeline? Are those waves more than ten feet tall? Do you think waves from something like the flood might even be taller than the Pipeline? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5591 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Raz, I didn't find much either, heres at least a floating can, open below, air column inside, can not find the site about the japanese reversed turbine, though it appears from this article that floating is being considered due to damage that arises in permanent moored sites by larger waves, with an opening chamber from below, agree it would be interesting to see more of the design, but if a floating can, with an air column can float, it makes the ark theory of the hull pool a more viable (believable) theory, etc...
http://www.incubator.dp.ua/Projects/Wave/ Column" by Mr. Masuda. Navy officer in Japan Masuda offered floating can, opened below. Air column inside this can, being swung by waves, are directed into air turbine generator through valves. The "Column" by Mr. Masuda is only wave device, which is produced in small series and is used for energy supply of navigation buoys. Such buoy-generator have power about 30 W and auto lead battery as an accumulator. Service life of such device is about 3 years and is limited by corrosion and service life of lead battery. But idea to supply cities with "big energy" bore huge Masuda's "Column" - "Kimay" project in 1979. "Kimay" device looked like a big ship - 280 meters length and 30 meters wide, it cost 80 million yens, was made of concrete and had electrical power 1800 kW. After "Kimay" project Japanese government had to make decision to finance full-scale project of construction of 1500 MW power plant. But money wasn't gotten. Last time professor Wells with Californian Wevegen Company developed air turbine, which doesn't need valves. This turbine works in bi-directed air current and is named "reversive turbine".
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Thanks, that gave me enough info to find this website:
Yoshio Masuda - Oscillating Water Column (OWC) Device If you click on the picture on the website you can see an animation -- click on the [>-->] button and then the [>>] button to see continuous play. A lot of work for a little result. Notice that if a wave reaches the top of the column that it would also force water through the hatches and the whole thing needs to be supported in relative stasis compared to the waves. There is a much simpler system, well within the technologies of the times that does not put a hole in the hull or take up excessive volume inside. All you need to do is take that parachute sea anchor (the kind that really works in the real world) and make it with slots like a cloth windmill so that it wants to spin, and use that to drive a waterwheel -- two birds with one stone. Takes up very little room inside, easier to maintain too, can have plenty of spares for when it breaks. No extra leak potential either. Probably a lot quieter (can you imagine those hatches banging all night long? Probably louder than the howling of all the seasick animals). Oh, yeah, it doesn't need those stones either. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Tennessee R Inactive Member |
NosyNed Said:
"I'm not sure what the exact measurements of this thing are though or, more importantly, how they were taken." Taken with laser measurements, it is approximately 515 feet long, or EXACTLY 300 cubits. The exact dimension as stated in the Bible.
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Tennessee R Inactive Member |
The Golfer wrote:
"Noah had iron and bronze available for strengthening the keel, stress area, and if they were able to increase the air pressure within the ark, it solves all other problems, etc..." Tubulcain was working with Brass and Iron long before Noah. Giant fossilized rivets found at the Ron Wyatt Noah's Ark site are made up of alloys that we've only known how to make for a few hundred years. Aluminum. Titanium. Magnesium.So, Noah had even more technology than you may think available.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Hi - When you write "Giant fossilized rivets found at the Ron Wyatt Noah's Ark site" you are informing us that something is not true. Wyatt is known as a complete crank. Someone people think he lied for his own purposes but I just think he was rug-chewing mad - a complete nutcase and thus not responsible for his actions.
Ah! you might say - I haven't dealt with the evidence so how do I know it's not true?* See if you can find the answers to those questions on the WAR site - 1) Where are the rivets now? (Wyatt has a nasty "habit" of losing stuff) 2) Who performed the tests and where? What were the results. * actually I know because we debunked those rivets before. Edited by CK, : added: "not". Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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Tennessee R Inactive Member |
If you had called (931) 293-4745 Wyatt Archaeological Research Wyatt Archaeological Research's Official Phone Line and asked them, WAR could have told you that at least one rivet is kept preserved 30 minutes from Wyatt Museum.
The Wyatt site Wyatt Archaeological Research can only hold so much information,But had you asked me, I could have told you, The tests were performed by Teledyne Allvac. A company that works with titanium and has it's own metallurgy lab. Edited by Tennessee R, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
and where are those test results? what's exactly do they say?
I see we have both been editting the Wyatt article at wikipedia - from there it appears that you are associated with WAR - is this the case? Edited by CK, : Question about association. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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Belfry Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 177 From: Ocala, FL Joined: |
Tennessee R writes: Giant fossilized rivets... Please explain how rivets can be fossilized.
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Damouse Member (Idle past 4905 days) Posts: 215 From: Brookfield, Wisconsin Joined: |
Tennessee R writes:
rofl.Giant fossilized rivets... Please explain how rivets can be fossilized.
Speaking of which, what would happen to the rivets after so long? -I believe in God, I just call it Nature -One man with an imaginary friend is insane. a Million men with an imaginary friend is a religion. -People must often be reminded that the bible did not arrive as a fax from heaven; it was written by men. -Religion is the opiate of the masses
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