Can God create another God?

I, on the other hand, am unafraid to question the status quo of organized religion, absolute truth, and human wisdom apart from obedience to Gods Word, as defined by orthodox Christianity.Why would God allow us to have minds and yet forbid us from questioning His intentions and how we as individuals become part of His Bride?Many critics assert that if becoming a part of said Bride involves shutting down their intellectual and/or reasoning capabilities, they probably are not ready to embrace communion with God at this point in time.Does God have compassion for His Bride, whom He created (directly or indirectly) and will He allow His Bride to have her own mind, or will He insist that she conform without question?

The problem here is you use logic to limit god. Who says god is limited by logic? He could just as eassilly be illogical and do these things . That it doesn't make sense doesn't matter, as we have no way of determining if god needs to make sense.Look at Rahvin's post upthread, he explains it quite well. Since we know absolutely nothing about god, he can do whatever we imagine him to do. Logic barriers do not apply here.Edited by Huntard, : spellingsEdited by Huntard, : wrong name in quote

We have no way of knowing this now do we? He could wish us all to burn in hell, he could wish us all into paradise, he could not even care what we do. If you believe he loves us, great. If you believe he hates us, while being a bit of a pessimistic worldview, great too. Either could be correct, both could be wrong. We have no way of knowing.Edited by Huntard, : Spellings

You have the triune God that says none were formed before and none will be formed after and that you are his witnesses that he is the first, and the last and beside him God testified that there was no other God formed.The question is then put more directly and asked is there any other God beside him, and he said SAID yea, there is no other God, I know not any!It says even them that are called by his name Christians? Let all the nations be gathered together, Let them bring forth their witnesses, and they maybe justified: or let them hear and say, It is truth. akjv Isaiah 43:10-11.akjv Isaiah 44:6 I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.akjv Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

And you know this to be absolutely true for god, because?See, the stuff in the bible might not be true, it might all be a lie.We have no way of knowing if it's true, it could be true, but we just don't know. So even though you might claim this for god, it might be the exact opposite.Edited by Huntard, : No reason given.

It is in the Bible, so it is true.

Hi, johnfolton. How many possible interpretations are there of this scripture (Isaiah 44:8) and of its usage of the word "God?"Well, as long as we leave the term "God" ineffable, there could be so many possibilities that I can't stop my head from spinning. Here are some:

1. For instance, does something called "God" have to be a Creator of heavens and earths? Or, can something that doesn't Create still be called "God"? So, when God says, “there is no other God,” does this mean there are no other beings with His power? Or, does it mean there are no other beings with His power that create children?
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2. Is "God" a title associated with a specific type of relationship, like the word "father," which, for me, is only correctly applied to the one man whose sperm gave me half of my genome? Could my father honestly say, "I know not any other?" if I asked him if there were any other fathers out there?
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3. Could God’s saying, “I know not any,” imply that He is leaving open the possibility of Gods that exist outside the scope of His knowledge? I certainly would have said, “No,” if I was certain of the answer. I certainly wouldn’t have said, “I don’t know of any,” unless I was uncertain.
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4. Does the meaning of the word "God" change when you write the "g" in lower case, and, if so, were the Bible's English translators correct in using the upper case in the scripture you quoted? Interesting:
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   They seemed to favor “god” when talking about higher beings aside from the Christian theology. So, could the upper-case “God” only refer to the God of Christianity? So, when He says, “Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no bGod; I know not any” (Isaiah 44:8), with the capitol “G,” is He only saying there is no other Christian God? Or, is the capitalization a meaningless addition by the English translators?
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5. Since "God" includes three beings, avatars, incarnations, or whatever you want to call them, could there really be thousands of Gods, yet they are all One? Jesus himself put forth the possibility of more beings becoming “one” with God:
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   18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
   19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
   20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
   21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
   22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
   23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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   So, if we mortals can become one with God, could other “gods” or “Gods” become one with God as well? (Actually, yes: Father, Son and Holy Ghost are an example. Or, does God already consider these other “gods” and/or “Gods” as one with Him? I contend that it is impossible to answer any of these questions without calling into the question the validity of some biblical reference, and thereby undermining the validity of the argument you are sponsoring.

-----My religion argues that, not only can God create another God, but that we are intended to become the Gods that He creates. That brings unity to all the scriptures about “oneness,” and resolves the issue of whether the Trinity is three or one (they are three distinct beings, but are “one” in purpose, as are we when we ally ourselves to their cause).I know the intention on this thread isn’t to argue Mormon philosophy, and that I continually throw a wrench in any thread like this when I insert Mormonism, so I don’t expect anyone to take me up on it (though I’d be happy to on another thread if someone was interested). In fact, I’m pretty certain the intention of this thread wasn’t theological or religious at all, but an attempt to show how religion is absurd for its belief in a contradictory God.But, for people (such as myself) who do not belief in a chaotic and superlative God who ineffably works outside any rules that could even theoretically be constructed, it is no paradox for a God to create another God. It is analogous to a mortal human creating another mortal organism from scratch in a laboratory (which is very much in the foreseeable future).Edited by Bluejay, : "qs" problems againEdited by Bluejay, : Clarification.

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Psalm 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. Edited by Brian, : formatting

If God is omnipotent, then God could do whatever God desires to do. The question is would God desire to do such a thing?Then again there is a debate about what God's omnipotence would really look like. We've all heard the theological question, "Can God create a rock so heavy that even God can't lift". These kind of questions are pointless and asinine insomuch that supposing God could do it, why would he do it?Wouldn't true omnipotence allow God to relinquish his own omnipotence at his whims, only to take it up again? These are unanswered speculations. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : edit to add

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Probably the latter. You would first have to define what God means by "Father." Biblical speech has to be read carefully, keeping in mind that we are dealing poetry and narrative, and that figurative language has been employed in many cases. For instance, in the opening pages of Genesis, when God is searching for Adam and Eve, He says something to the effect of, "Where are you?" Well, the story explains that God does in fact know where they are, but it is building up to a pivotal point where Adam and Eve feel remorse for rebelling against God.Also there is another story with Jacob(?) where he asks him his name, also found in Genesis. Does God not know His name? Yes, he does, as the rest of the story indicates. Because after Jacob admits to it, God says, yes that is your name. The point is that it builds up the narrative where mankind admits their sin in front of the Lord who knows all. I think it is an analogy. The Bible uses a lowercase to show that they are dealing with false gods, or extrapolated further to show, no gods at all, even though other cultures believe in such a god. For instance, if they were referring to the god Jupiter, the writers of the Bible believe that Jupiter is not a real god. But they recognize that other people from other cultures identify Jupiter as being a god. It is not a concession that such gods exist in actuality. Again, this is just an instance where Jesus is saying "Stop following false gods and worship the only true God."You have to read things in its larger context. Taking a scrap of information can easily be taken out of context. Holistic analysis has to be considered in order to make even a small quote make sense.

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Hi, Nem.Thanks for your response.I wasn't intending my post to be a new interpretation of biblical text or new prescription for true Christian theology. I wanted to point out the difficulty inherent in even knowing what it means to be a God, let alone for a God to create another God.The traditional Christian view is that God is completely incomprehensible to us. For that reason alone, it's completely impossible to know that any of His words we read really mean what we think they mean. There are many Christian beliefs on the nature of God, and, even though they are completely contradictory, they are all based on the biblical text or biblical interpretation (even the Mormon view). But again, was it God's intention for the two terms to be distinguished in some way? Thus, when He says, "there is no other God," is it the same as saying, "there is no other god"? I'll admit full ignorance of the original Hebrew, but I have often heard the argument that God guided the translation process to the ends that He wanted. Could this have been one of His ends?There is an endless stream of speculation, and no one will ever be able to disprove any other. So, I see no reason to rule any of them out, except insofar as they compare to an objective standard. I don't think you're right, at all: How are God and Jesus "one"? Isn't the Nicene Creed the description of the basic Christian doctrine of "oneness" of the Father and the Son? On what baiss to you claim that this scripture means something different when it refers to "oneness?"If "oneness" can be extended to mortals, on what basis do you suggest that "oneness" cannot be extended to other god-like beings, and thus make other god-like beings "one with God?" So, even if God did make another God, couldn't this new God just become "one with the original God," and thus, there would be no contradiction to scripture?-----Also, looking into the Nicene Creed, it appears that the Creed also contains this part: Isn't this an example of a God (the Spirit) being created by another God (the Father)?

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The Word also uses "before me" was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10 It also says "beside me" in reference to him being the Saviour.akjv Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD: and beside me there is no Saviour.akjv Isaiah 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.Jesus is the vine were the branches however the branches must abide in the vine. Its a free gift as many as recieved Christ, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: akjv john 1:12.P.S. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him "should not perish", but "have everlasting life". I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Isn't this question like asking can god stomp his own toes? A Jewish friend of mine once said that there is a perfectly good answer for this kind of question. It's really all a matter of choice to god. But the simple answer is "yes".

Hi, John. It's easy to prevent any infringement upon this, simply because He reserves the ability to subsume other beings into Himself, as suggested by John 18. Just as the Ecumenical Councils subsumed Jesus and the Holy Ghost into God because of the rules of monotheism, so can God subsume any other Gods there might be into Himself.So, I contend that, because of scriptures' dodgy use of terminology, you can't actually use the scriptures to make a case for His ability to make another God. And, even if you could, I could make an opposing case using the same text.

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It does not say God could not form another God besides himself just that none will be formed. Zechariah 14:5-9.P.S. After satan is bound peace will reign on earth and the there will be only one LORD, and his name one.