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Author | Topic: With a dying white race, why are we not encouraging more white births? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, it is very PC to pretend that Christianity is like Islam, though of course it's really quite the opposite in just about every way.
I think the answer to the title of this thread can be found in this discussion, just substitute "westerners" for white race and the answer is the west is now completely suicidal, unable to tell friend from enemy, good from evil, or more accurately, defends enemy over friend and evil over good. Have a pleasant Ramadan. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2388 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
Nice non-answer.
Happy winter solstice.
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Jon Inactive Member |
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You mean none of them consider the digusting, rapist, pedophile, warlord pig Muhammad a great prophet and spiritual leader - a model for all? Edited by Admin, : Add note at top.Love your enemies!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
So Faith's source is lying? No kidding I already knew this. The bullshit about those verses has been exposed many times. The people propagating this crap seem to be pretty certain that their audience is not smart enough or willing to look up the verses themselves.
But then again who is Faith going to believe the hatemongers or the actual text? That is easy the hatemongers.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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By "white" do you mean "Caucasian," or do you have some other definition in mind?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Admin Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Jon writes: You mean none of them consider the digusting, rapist, pedophile, warlord pig Muhammad a great prophet and spiritual leader - a model for all? That's enough grenade tossing. See Message 78 in case the urge strikes to continue in this vein or argue with me.
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Jon Inactive Member |
What saner voices are trying to remind you is that Muslims are not necessarily de facto pieces of crap anymore than Christians are or Hindus. I was really talking about Islam, not Muslims. We can and should judge ideas, beliefs, customs, even entire cultures and 'religions'.Love your enemies!
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
This doesn't mean that all or even most Muslims are secretly conspiring for world domination. Consider how many lukewarm Christians exist who barely understand even elementary aspects of their own religion. There are Muslims who fit that same profile, where their faith is almost an obligatory response for cultural reasons.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Sometimes it sounds tolerant, but most of the time it treats all nonMuslims as infidels No more than the Jews towards all Goyim. Many Jews are explicitly told not to associate with the Goyim, whereas many, many other Jews don't take that to heart.
The fact that Islam legitimises deceit during war cannot be all that surprising; strategist Sun Tzu (c. 722-221 BC), Italian political philosopher Machiavelli (1469-1527) and English philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) all justified deceit in war. However, according to all four recognised schools of Sunni jurisprudence, war against the infidel goes on in perpetuity, until "all chaos ceases, and all religion belongs to Allah" (Quran 8:39). According to the definitive Encyclopaedia of Islam (Brill Online edition): "The duty of the jihad exists as long as the universal domination of Islam has not been attained. Well, there is no question that the Islamic faith is a steaming pile of trash, and I do find it hilarious that many Progressives have no problem denouncing Christianity but do in fact whitewash Islam -- little angels who can do no wrong. However, even in spite of that, you are the opposite extreme of that extreme. You're like one step away from opening internment camps and waging your own jihad. These people evidently terrify you, which is the goal of the terroristic minority. I feel sorry that they've succeeded so thoroughly in their plan. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
On the other hand it does have to be said that a sura that says "if you are forced to say you renounce Islam, you can lie and God won't punish you for apostasy" is hardly the terrible thing that it's being painted as. A just God could hardly penalise someone for something they hadn't truly done, so why the fuss about it?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This doesn't mean that all or even most Muslims are secretly conspiring for world domination. OF COURSE NOT, and I said so myself. BUT THEIR RELIGION IS, and if put to the test they would have to accept what the religion says. Why are you having so much trouble following the argument here?
Consider how many lukewarm Christians exist who barely understand even elementary aspects of their own religion. There are Muslims who fit that same profile, where their faith is almost an obligatory response for cultural reasons. That is quite true. But in the case of Islam they can get beheaded if they refuse to go along with the full Islamic agenda if and when it comes to that. The Islamic leaders happily persecute Muslims as well as everybody else, if they don't toe the line. Why are you having such a problem following this argument?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sometimes it sounds tolerant, but most of the time it treats all nonMuslims as infidels
No more than the Jews towards all Goyim. Many Jews are explicitly told not to associate with the Goyim, whereas many, many other Jews don't take that to heart. BUT THEY DON'T GET BEHEADED FOR ASSOCIATING WITH THE GOYIM and neither do the goyim. Oh good, you go on to show you don't think much of Islam, but your politics about it are dangerously nave.
However, even in spite of that, you are the opposite extreme of that extreme. You're like one step away from opening internment camps and waging your own jihad. These people evidently terrify you, which is the goal of the terroristic minority. I feel sorry that they've succeeded so thoroughly in their plan. This is nonsensical lying propaganda. Waging my own jihad? That's nuts! I'm trying to get the TRUTH on the table here and nothing more. Their plan is to conquer the world for Allah and they use all means that happen to be available to them at any given time, and they've SAID SO, and right now the strategy is to build up their population in nonMuslim countries and conquer THAT way. They've SAID SO. Now they even have the victims on their side, unbelievable but true. They must really be thanking Allah. I've known all this about Islam since back before 9/11. It's those who are tolerant of Islam who are dangerously deluded.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So Faith's source is lying? No kidding I already knew this. The bullshit about those verses has been exposed many times. Which whitewashed expose might that be? The fact that Islam considers itself to be "at war" with all nonMuslim nations means there is no ground for mutual trust ever. Where's the lie?
The people propagating this crap seem to be pretty certain that their audience is not smart enough or willing to look up the verses themselves. There is no lie. Why should there be? If Islam were not a dangerous ideology why would anyone need to say it is? There's plenty of room in western societies for religions that don't threaten anybody. The problem with Islam is that it does. Why would anyone make this up?
But then again who is Faith going to believe the hatemongers or the actual text? That is easy the hatemongers. This is ad hominem slander. Why would I have any particular wish to believe either side of the argument? If I did have such a wish it would certainly be the wish that Islam were a benign religion that threatens nobody. Unfortunately that's not true. What reason would I have for siding with the "hatemongers?" I'm an honest person who believes what I'm persuaded is the truth. Unbelievers can't get the plain text of the Bible right, OR the Koran. You have to know how the believers read it, how the theologians teach it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
quote:Nobody is lying to me. I'm talking about behaviour. The Muslims I have met are polite, friendly, good citizens, etc. If they are hiding a conspiracy to take over the world, they're doing it well. The world needs more people who act in a Christ-like manner.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Behavior can lie, too. What if it turns out to be lying?
Besides, "polite, friendly, good citizens" probably describes most of your fellow Canadians, no? There's nothing "Christ-like" about such ordinary expected behavior. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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