Why Do Gay Men Sound Gay?

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Your response is not logical...Your bigotry is showing.

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I didn't notice that, looks pretty directed to me.

You have me confused. Yes that was part of my response to Dr. A. His statement was not logical. My response to you was a general over all response. What part of that are you having an issue with?

When you join the gay community you have the option of signing up for GSL (Gay as a Second Language) classes.

I understand that you are just guessing, but the reality is that family life does not turn you gay. It is not the lack of role models, or being around a bunch of girls, or anything like that that makes boys gay or even transgender.Single women raise boys all of the time. There are serious issues associated with this phenomena, but no evidence whatsoever that one of the issues is boys thinking they are women.If you are really interested in this topic, I suggest doing some of your own research before forming an opinion, or simply asking around before forming your own opinion. Nobody has good built in 'instincts' on this issue.

I never said anything remotely like "boys thinking they are women" -- which is an unbelievably brainless idea -- and I have thought about this stuff off and on over the years, accumulating information here and there, AND I have an extensive background in psychology from my pre-Christian life. So your opinion is no better than mine, and since you haven't a clue about mine I feel free to dismiss yours as the usual kneejerk irrelevancy.Again, what this discussion, and particularly that film, contributed to my understanding, is that it's female speech patterns that form the basis of what we identify as gay speech. It doesn't sound feminine to me so I needed the experts to point out the characteristics that identify it as feminine.My idea isn't about single parents or any simple matter of circumstances, it's about quality of relationship, which is pretty clear from the little I said.I think some of my problem with your posts, which I've complained about many times recently, is that you seem to focus on one small element in what I say and ignore the overall context.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

What Dr. A said was in fact precisely logical and to the point. You had made the ridiculous equation of gay speech with black men liking watermelon: The point being that the gay speech pattern does describe a lot more gay men than straight men, and since that is the case it is reasonable to think about why and how it comes about, while at least as many white men as black men like watermelon.

A stereotype is a stereotype. You know this from observation or stereotype?
Is there a problem with this "gay speech pattern" you describe? It seems no one else wants to ask you that question.

Oh right. In that case your reply to me was utterly illogical and obviously confusing. Since it didn't respond to the points I was making, I'll just repeat them here. Going back to Message 34The last sentence does not imply the presumption in the first sentence is false. Are you sure? 10 says I know more. And we should all base our conclusions on your experience. That would make sense.Hey, how about some science? I'm sure you know how the distribution of traits actually works. I know a woman who is 6 foot 3 inches. I know a man who is 5 foot 2 inches. It would still be true to say that men are mostly taller than women. So whatever your opinion of the hypothesis is, this kind of reasoning is meaningless.If you want to respond to my criticisms of your logic go right ahead. I don't need to no details about your opinion of Faith or any other poster.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

I did not say that you thought that, I just filled in one of a thousand reasons why somebody might conclude that being around women makes you talk gay or talk like a women. That simply is not the case. I'm suggesting that your supposition is completely wrong. People don't turn gay or talk gay because they've had some lack of quality in their upbringing.In short I'm criticizing this statement below: What 'you think' is not based on facts or supported by facts. It's just you guessing and opining about something that you don't know about based on your suppositions. The facts actually suggest otherwise. Alienation from dad does not make people talk gay.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

It seems to me like you can't tell the difference between a simple general statement and a stereotype.

Your answer sounds just as brainless as the former answer. NN, I just can't have a conversation with you, you just don't get what I'm saying and your interpretations are ridiculous.,It's all just your assertion against mine anyway.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I am not saying it does. Dr A is making the presumption it seems. He needs to back his presumption. I am just saying that without evidence this is just a stereotype. Yes, reinforcing stereotypes is bigoted behavior. Dr A was reinforcing a stereotype So you want to get into a pissing match? The only reason I mentioned it is that I wanted to express I was speaking from at least some personal experience. In contrast to Faith who is just spewing bigotry. I think personal experience has as much or more legitimacy than a stereotype. My point exactly. Lets look at the science not the stereotypes that everyone seems comfortable with. Obviously the point about the harm of stereotypes is lost on you and others in this thread. Even if 5 times as many gay men had a "gay sounding" voice than straight men, it would still be a stereotype. If you can show the majority of gay men cted this way then it would not be a stereotype.

Funny the only gay man on the thread is supporting my "bigotry" (observations) over yours.And bigotry is a good word for what you are doing as a matter of fact.As for "stereotypes" the reason they ARE stereotypes is that they have enough truth to them to have come to represent the phenomena in question. They only become bigotry when no other qualifiers are allowed and the term is obviously meant to be pejorative.Your definition that to be an observation rather than a stereotype requires some definable percentage of observation, is just your own prejudice.What I've said about the gay pattern of speech is that I know not all bay man speak that way and that some straight men do. What makes it a valid observation is that it IS known to be characteristic of gay men and even gays recognize it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Actually, it is not a matter of your assertion vs his assertion, it is a conclusion based on AL the scientific research that has been done and confirmed over and over again. It's been that way since God cloned Steve.

What research? All NN said was that I was wrong, period.But I ought to be allowed to have my own thoughts about it anyway.