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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
what was true 5,000 or 2,000 years ago is still the truth today regardless of what secular scientists claim or change. But what was said to be true 5000 or 2000 or even 1 year ago may not be true at all. For instance, the Bible.
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archaeologist Inactive Member |
i said the author's names in the post but here it is again:
JAMIESON, FAUSSET, BROWN COMMENTARY NEW TESTAMENT VOL. 2 Romans-Revelation by David Brown & Rev. A.R. Faussett pages 935-7 B o o k s F o r T h e A g e sAGES Software Albany, OR USA Version 1.0 1997 it is the electronic version of the commentary.
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archaeologist Inactive Member |
But what was said to be true 5000 or 2000 or even 1 year ago may not be true at all. For instance, the Bible. using the Bible as an example just make syou obstinate and looking to cause trouble. the Bible is 100% true and there has been no scientific or archaeological discovery thathas provenone part of it false. as i said, which was NOT 'what was said to be true...' what was true 5,000, 2,000 years ago is still true today and that is the Bible not secular science and its evolutionary alternatives.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
archaeologist writes: the Bible is 100% true and there has been no scientific or archaeological discovery thathas provenone part of it false. I'm sorry but you continue to post untruths, falsehoods, even after you have been given the evidence that parts of the Bible are false. There was no Biblical Flood. This has been provided to you several times and you never address the FACT that the Biblical Flood has been refuted. If necessary I will gladly post the point by point evidence that totally refutes the Biblical Flood myths. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
using the Bible as an example just make syou obstinate and looking to cause trouble. If you're going to talk to me I'd appreciate it if you could write like an educated person instead of like a grade-school child. Capitalize your sentences. Use appropriate, correct spelling and punctuation. You're not talking with people on Twitter, you're talking to educated scientists. It's time for you to act like it. Your frequent mistakes make it all but impossible to understand what you're trying to say.
the Bible is 100% true and there has been no scientific or archaeological discovery thathas provenone part of it false. The Bible has been disproven by an ample number of archeological and scientific discoveries which you have simply dismissed as a conspiracy by "secularists" to attack Christianity. That's not to mention all the archeological discoveries that are completely missing, if the accounts of the Bible are to be believed.
what was true 5,000, 2,000 years ago is still true today and that is the Bible not secular science and its evolutionary alternatives. ...and from what evidence do you conclude this? Do you see, yet, the circular reasoning you're engaged in? You believe the Bible is authoritative because that's supported by the evidence; evidence that contradicts that notion can be disregarded because the Bible is authoritative. Perfectly circular. Your entire position is a fallacy.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Again, I need to ask. If you are such an expert on ancient Greek, why do you have to do a large cut and paste? Why don't you put something in your own words.
Just giving a name is not giving a reference. Was it that hard to actually cite the source? Don't you think biblical commentary and general knowledge may have changed a bit in 140 years.
quote:Bible Commentary Critical and Explanatory; Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4217 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
because the truth never changes. what was true 5,000 or 2,000 years ago is still the truth today regardless of what secular scientists claim or change. What truth? All you have is a bunch of stories told by men who had no knowledge of what the earth, the sun, stars, planets, weather, relation ship of life, plate tectonics, nuclear fission, disease causing microorganisms, electricity , lightning, rainbows and just about anything else. And you expect me to believe their mythological explanations as truth? Talking snakes? Global flood? Tower to heaven? There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3469 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
Buzsaw writes: The quantity, literal compatibility and age of the manuscripts support authenticity. But the manuscripts are DIFFERENT, not compatible.
Matthew 6:13 - The Lord's Prayer Early and important MSS (Aleph, B, D, Z, 205, 547) as well as some fathers (Tertullian, Origen, and Cyprian) have :
"And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil" Other MSS have : "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen" And a few MSS have another version : "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, of the father, the son, and the holy spirit for ever. Amen" A few MSS exclude the words "the power" or "the glory" or "the kingdom". The Lord's Prayer is one of the more variant parts of the NT.
Now,this prayer was supposedly taught by Jesus himself. but God FAILED to preserve it, and Jesus followers FAILED to remember it. Kap
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3469 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
archeologist writes: AND unless YOU have the originals YOU CANNOT say they were altered and not preserved. But the manuscripts we have now are all different. I have posted many such examples, you just refuse to even discuss them - such as the many differences in the Lord's Prayer, or the change to the words of God at the Baptism. If all the manuscripts are different, then they MUST have been altered. Which version of the Lord's Prayer do YOU think is original?
archeologist writes: what do you think he has in his book? hearsay? i have quoted people and i still hear 'more evidence...' you have been given evidence and people keep rejecting it. there is a limit. read the book, read strobel's The Case for Christ, I have read it.It's faithful beliefs and apologetics. Quoting beliefs is not evidence, you aren't in church now. Kap
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3023 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Show us in any of today's good Bible translations where God's salvation in Christ Jesus has been altered from the manuscripts from which they have been translated?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Who gets to define a good Bible translation, John? You? The Pope? Buzsaw? Archaeologist?
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
He also has not seen the Samaritan Orthodox Canon. It includes only the first five books as Canonical, none of the books after that are recognized as Canon.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3023 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Best Known Versions
American Standard Version (ASV) The American Standard Version, also known as the Standard American Edition, Revised Version, is a revised version of the KJV. It was completed in 1885 and newly edited by the American Revision Committee in 1901. word-for-wordDouay-Rheims (RHE) The Douay-Rheims is the translation upon which nearly all English Catholic Bible versions are based. It includes the seven Deutero-Canonical books (also known as the Apocrypha). word-for-word from Latin VulgateEnglish Standard Version (ESV) The ESV Bible is a relatively new Bible translation that combines word-for-word precision and accuracy with literary excellence, beauty, and readability. word-for-wordGOD'S WORD Translation (GW) GOD'S WORD Translation (GW) accurately translates the meaning of the original texts into clear, everyday language. Readable and reliable, GW is living, active, and life-changing. thought-for-thoughtGood News Translation (GNT) The Good News Translation was first published in 1976 by the American Bible Society in a "common language." The simple, everyday language makes it especially popular for children and those learning English. thought-for-thoughtHolman Christian Standard (CSB) The HCS is a highly readable, accurate translation written in modern English. It is published by Holman Bible Publishers, the oldest Bible publisher in America. word-for-wordKing James Version (KJV) The KJV is the first version of Scripture authorized by the Protestant church and commissioned by England's King James I. word-for-wordNew American Standard (NAS)The NAS is written in a formal style, but is more readable than the King James Version. It is highly respected as the most literal English translation of the Bible. word-for-wordNew International Version (NIV) The NIV offers a balance between a word-for-word and thought-for-thought translation and is considered by many as a highly accurate and smooth-reading version of the Bible in modern English. Combination word-for-word and thought-for-thoughtNew King James Version (NKJ) The NKJ is a modern language update of the original King James Version. It retains much of the traditional interpretation and sentence structure of the KJV. word-for-wordNew Living Translation (NLT) Using modern English, the translators of the NLT focused on producing clarity in the meaning of the text rather than creating a literal, word-for-word equivalence. Their goal was to create a clear, readable translation while remaining faithful to original texts. thought-for-thoughtNew Revised Standard (NRS) The New Revised Standard is a popular translation that follows in the traditions of the King James and Revised Standard Versions. It was written with the goal of preserving the best of the older versions while incorporating modern English. word-for-word and thought-for-thoughtRevised Standard Version (RSV) The Revised Standard Version is a revision of the King James Version, the Revised Version, and American Standard Version. This text is intended for both private reading and public worship. word-for-word using modern American languageThe Message (MSG) The Message is a paraphrase from the original languages written by Eugene, H. Peterson. The Message provides a fresh and unique Bible-reading experience. thought-for-thought; paraphraseOther TranslationsModern Bible in Basic English (BBE) Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) Hebrew Names Version (HNV) New Century Version (NCV) New International Reader's Version (NIRV) Third Millennium Bible (TMB) Today's New International Version (TNIV) World English Bible (WEB) Young's Literal Translation (YLT) New Testament only Weymouth New Testament (WNT) Older Translations The Darby Translation (DBY) The Latin Vulgate (VUL) The Webster Bible (WBT) Spanish La Biblia de las Amricas (BLA) La Biblia Reina-Valera (RVR) Sagradas Escrituras (1569) (SEV) French Louis Segond 1910 (French) (LSG) Ostervald (French) (OST) German Elberfelder 1905 (German) (ELB) Luther Bible 1912 (German) (LUT) Italian Giovanni Diodati 1649 (Italian) (GDB) Riveduta 1927 (Italian) (RIV) Dutch Staten Vertaling (Dutch) (SVV)
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3469 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
John 10:10 writes: Show us in any of today's good Bible translations where God's salvation in Christ Jesus has been altered from the manuscripts from which they have been translated? I did.I posted numerous examples of CHANGES to the NT. Such as the various CHANGES made to the Lord's Prayer.Which version of the Lord's Prayer do YOU agree with? Why? What about the other changes I quoted - will you just ignore them all, like 'archeologist' does? Kap
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3469 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday John 10:10
Why did you post a list of different Bible translations?Did you not notice all those translations are DIFFERENT? John 10:10 writes: word-for-wordKing James Version (KJV) The KJV is the first version of Scripture authorized by the Protestant church and commissioned by England's King James I. word-for-wordNew American Standard (NAS) The NAS is written in a formal style, but is more readable than the King James Version. It is highly respected as the most literal English translation of the Bible. word-for-wordNew International Version (NIV) The NIV offers a balance between a word-for-word and thought-for-thought translation and is considered by many as a highly accurate and smooth-reading version of the Bible in modern English. These are three DIFFERENT translations that have very DIFFERENT words in them. How can they ALL be "word-for-word" when they have DIFFERENT WORDS in them !? Kapyong
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