Insect diversity falsifies the worldwide flood.

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[God rested on the seventh day, if we are not ignorant that one day is a thousand years to] [God and he rested on the seventh day before he caused the world flood.]
the bible does not say that 1 of gods yrs = to a 1000 of man yrs
if you want to go down that road then the equ could be 1 to 1,000,000 or 1 to 1,000,000,000
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[My resource article talks about 6 days meaning 6,000 years however the 6th day ]
your resource articles are the works of men with there own personal bias
it is just there assumption that 1 of gods yrs = to a 1000 of man yrs
show me in the bible where it says that
another thing you fail to see is that this tree was not a fluke of nature
but the entire species could live really long
there are some trees up on those moutians right now that are dead that predate this living
tree and the flood and still did not die in flood but lived long after the flood
there just not alive right now
and there are also some up there that predate the creation they go back 15000yrs
plus the native American Indians history goes back 15000yrs
with out any evidence that were destroyed by a world wide floodquote
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**********and every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.*********
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[This is the fossil record all that remained upon the surface of the ground was destroyed. It didn't say all living substances were all destroyed, just the living substances upon the surface of the earth. The olive branch like the fish didn't remain upon the surface of the earth thus exempt from total destruction yet of all the people on the earth it does say only Noah remained alive and they that were with him in the ark. ]
you seam to miss the point
these trees were not floating they are still rooted in the ground and they didn't die from flood
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[Creationists mention trees float above the surface of the earth, insects and their larvas would of survived on things that float explaining the great diversity of insects.]
after a yrs time of the world being covered with water i doubt any thing would be floating ether it would become water logged or eaten by the fish
stuff that doesn't belong in the water doesn't stay there very long
becomes part of the food chainhmmm are trying to pull a fast one on me?
he's not in the bible>The Epistle of Barnabus,written about 200 A.D
just a nother guy writing about the bible right?
what is this just some other book you are quoting from>"The Apostolic Fathers,pp.151-152"
its not the word of god ,just a nother mans opinion right?
again show me were in the bible its says"one day is a thousand years"
have a nice day

not as an insult, mind you, but do you know how to do quote boxes?it would help make your post more readable. if you don't here's how[q s]text to be quoted[/q s]
just leave out the space inbetween the q and s. I did it so the formatting sytle would show.the other quote box is this[qoute]text to be quoted[/qouted]

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Evolution is an on-going process. There is no reason to think that if evolution primarily proceeds via groups within a species separating for whatever reason and evolving into new species and then new genera and new families of species, so that we see a split, with a common ancestor giving rise to 2 or more strains of species, that we should not expect to see the common ancestor living.Certainly, there should be some instances where the common ancestor went extinct, but we should see some instances where the common ancestor is not extinct. There is no reason not to.What is your basis for saying they should always have gone extinct, and always moreover have never left any fossils.

Did I say that all went extinct? Did I say that all did not leave fossils? I don't think so.There are living common ancestors, but those splits are young, like with us and chimps and bonobos. Us, and bononbos having split from chimps, and you know what, the chimps are still there. You're asking for a 3.5 billion year old common ancestor(s) to still be living.Now then, as to the fossils. If smaller things are more fragile, and fragile things fossilize less easily (like the odds of finding hummingbird fossils--they've been found, but not very many compared to larger, more robust animals). Bacteria an other single-cell organisms are incredibly small. So the first problem, if they did fossilize, would be finding them. Damn near impossible. It's easier to find thier leftovers, much like finding fossilized worm tunnels is easier to find than finding worm fossils. And consider the probablitly of finding a 3.5 billion year old fossil--nigh on impossible. why? You need rock that old, and there aren't too many places in the world with rock that old. so very little of what may have been fossilized is left, and what could have been fozzilized most likely wasn't that much to begin with.

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OK, kuresu, please tell me the name of the living common ancestor to all hominds, or all primates.

I can tell you the name of the earliest known ancestor to apes and man is Dryopithecus. roughly 12 to 9 million years old. Further back than that, we have the fossil of Kamoyapithecus, the earliest known Old world monkey, and the one that right now is the ancestor to the apes (and man) and the current old world monkeys, so long as I'm reading it right. Neither of them are living. The only living common ancestor I know of is between us, chimps, and bononbos. We and the bonobos split from the chimps, but at different times.The living common ancestor you want is more than 20 million years old, and dead. like I said, most living ancestors are from recent splits.oh, and my source is wikipedia.org, under human evolution. (in the search I typed in hominid)
Human evolution - Wikipedia

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All species eventually go extinct, so in fact, depending on how far back the split is, we should definately expect the common ancestor to be exinct. They do, often, leave fossils.

The common ancestor? Look at the charts and so forth naming various families of species, etc,...and you will always see the mythical common ancestor un-named because there are no fossils or living common ancestors on those charts.Some put one up awhile back with the darker-colored sections the actual species and the lighter-colored areas the blanks, and it was remarkable how consistent this pattern is.

Nonsense. I realize you just make it up as you go along, Randman, but you really need to try harder than this. What, you think I don't have a stack of phylogenetics texts sitting around the house?

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[It is simply NOT true that you have to believe the universe is any particular age, that the
layers in the geologic column were formed 4500 years ago or bazillions, that dinosaurs lived 5000
years ago or some millions of years ago, or that we were created in Eden or all evolved from the
primordial swamps, in order to do excellent science]Its not a matter of belief but of weighing evidence.
The earth has to be really old because there is no evidence that dinosaurs could have lived along
side man 10000yrs ago.
Here is some evidence that dinosaurs lived along time ago.
A1
There remains are all fossilized.
A2
Radiocarbon dating indicates that they are a lot older then 10000yrs.
A3
There is no dinosaur bone or flesh material to be found anywhere
but there is plenty of bone material of people and contemporary animal from 10000yrs ago.If dinosaurs did live with men just 10000yrs ago,
you would findB1 Mummified dinosaurs flesh that would date less then 10000yrs old.B2 Dinosaurs bones and flesh with viable DNA in them "not fossilized dinosaurs bones".
Because we do find DNA in the remains of people and contemporary animal from 10000yrs ago.B3 Men and dinosaurs would have interacted with each other.
Men would have hunted them down for there flesh, skin and bones.
Flesh to eat ,leather skin for cloths and bones for tools,weapons and jewelry.B4 People would have draw pictures of them "no such pictures of dinosaurs exist before 1800AD".
"Where not talking mithical monsters ether or large fish"B5 Written records of kings and warriors bragging about killing such beasts.
No records exist that describe dinosaurs.!LOOK!\/This is were we weigh the evidence.The supporting evidence A1-A3 and
lack of evidence in the points b1-b5 are enough proof that dinosaurs could not have existed with men.
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The bible offers no proof of the exsitance of dinosaurs at all.The only other option is that dinosaurs lived and died
before man ever walked the face of earth.
Supporting the idea that the world is realy old not 10000yrs old.
there is other evidence in hydrogeology "as poster anglagard pointed out",astronamy and physics that independenty
support this claim but thats for a nother threadsoooo........
It is simply true that you have to accept that universe is a particular age based on the observable evidence.Show me where im am wrong with statments b1-b5 and i will believe in creationism QUOTE
[I simply do not get how the length of time you calculate it WOULD take to move this water
from point A to point B says anything about a worldwide flood 4500 years ago. Simply see no
relevance whatever. Can you spell this out better?]This aquifer could not exist if ,QUOTE\/
[Or you count backward. Taking all time statements literally, it is determined that the
earth is roughly only 6000 years old, the Flood occurred around 4500 years ago]
This water would only have been to travel 0.7% of the distance between Zuni Mountains and
San Juan River "sry i don't no the distance in miles".
99.3% of this aquifer would still be dry if the world was only 6000yrs old.You fail to see is that this tree was not a fluke of nature
but the entire species could live really long.
There are some trees up on those mountains right now that are dead that predate this living.
Tree and the flood and still did not die in flood but lived long after the flood.
There just not alive right now
and there are also some up there that predate the creation they go back 15000yrs.
the native American Indians history goes back 15000yrs
with out any evidence that were destroyed by a world wide flood.
These trees were not floating they are still rooted in the ground and they didn't die from flood.After a yrs time of the world being covered with water i doubt any thing would be floating.
Ether it would become water logged or eaten by the fish.
Stuff that doesn't belong in the water doesn't stay there very long
becomes part of the food chain.QUOTE
[The bazillions of fossils of sea life show that the same happened to them, but yet some obviously survived to replenish the oceans, and not on the ark.]
Where your evidence that there was a mass exstinction of marine life
just because you can find a lot of fossiles dosn't mean they die all at once.
If they did they would be found i one single layer of sediment ordered by size and wieght.
But there not they are ordered by species in many layers.
In this decending order
marine mamals
marine dinosaurs
fish
shellfish
Also in this same single layer of sediment
you would find all the land animals mixed in with the sea life.
No such record exists!
your claims that the bible makes just dont agree with the observable evidence
have a nice day

i'm hoping you read my previous post about quoting--it'll really help me, and others too I'd say, to understand exactly what you're saying. format is good, a good format is better.one warnging though--for Faith, none of that dating matters. afterall, there was the fall, and everything before the fall we won't know how physics, etc behaved, and everything after the fall is corrupted, and can't be trusted (except the bible, or course). just a warning

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i looked for on itthe htlm page but counldnt find it
i tryed q , /q with left and right arrows and it didnt work
but thanks i did want to use it
so next time i will

I'll agree with you that if one God day is a thousand of our years this would make trees dating back 11,566 years is in agreement with Gods Word. The third creation day would of been 2,000 - 3,000 years from the beginning of the earths creation week. This places the flood happening approximately 8,000 years after the beginning of God's creation week and approximately 5,500 years ago.Barnabas is in the bible but not his epistle, he's the vessel God used to declare Paul (Saul) to fellow believers in Jerusalem. acts chapter 9-13. I was only using the seven thousand years from his epistle to near present time puts the flood approximately 5,500 years ago (not 4,500 years) because its based on one year being a thousand years.Note: Six creation days equal 7,000 of our years if one of Gods days is a thousand of our years.Adam and Eves first book too is in agreement with one of Gods days = 1000 years and its in agreement with Adam (mankind was created in the middle of the 6th creation day the 6556 year from the beginning of the creation week.The first book of adam and eve is in agreement with the Lord Jesus birth happened approximately 5,500 years after adam birth. The birth of Jesus happening approximately 2,000 years ago correlates with the epistle of barnabas placing adams birth approximately 7,450 years ago. By subtacting the ages from Adam to Noahs flood it places the fresh water world flood approximately 5,500 years ago and approximately the 8,000 year from the beginning of Gods 7 day creation week. It does not say it rained an entire year or that the earth was covered for an entire year. Trees floated upwards because the soil holding them (being super saturated) was not up to the floating upward forces of the rising flood waters. 2 peter 3:8*****resource articlehttp://www.hiddenmysteries.com/...book/adameve/adameve1.html
Chapter IIIConcerning the promise of the great five and a half days.
1 God said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and you and your descendants shall live and walk in them, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created you, and against which you have transgressed, the Word that made you come out of the garden, and that raised you when you were fallen.2 Yes, the Word that will again save you when the five and a half days are fulfilled."3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five and a half days, he did not understand the meaning of them.4 For Adam was thinking there would be only five and a half days for him until the end of the world.5 And Adam cried, and prayed to God to explain it to him.6 Then God in his mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and likeness, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his descendants.

That's all well and good, but until you can proved some evidence there is nothing there of any importance. We're over in a science forum. Saying "I'll agree with you that if one God day is a thousand of our years this would make trees dating back 11,566 years is in agreement with Gods Word." has no value at all until you can produce God and his calendar.

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