What is: The Gospel According To You?

You'll find I'm not much of a fan of quotemining. Paul must be read within the full context of his letters. Honestly I don't even much worry about sins, or what they are. Don't even really care. It goes back to what I've been saying all through this thread.Try to do what's right. Love GOD and love others as you love yourself.It really is as simple as that.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

gotta run....

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(Rom3:10)As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips:Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet [are] swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery [are] in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

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This message has been edited by Rainman2, 04-10-2006 09:52 PM

That's a good example of quotemining and really taking things out of context. First Paul is but quoting what someone else said. In addition, Romans is one of Paul's longer letters, IIRC 15 or 16 Chapters in all. Romans 3 is mostly talking about the relationship between the original followers of Christ who were all Jews and the newer Greek and Roman converts. It even gets into the matter of Faith, which supports the idea that all are saved, even those who have no faith in GOD or Jesus.See how easy quotemining is?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It means there will be a judgment--by God and not ourselves, as to whether we've succeeded--that we must prepare for and fear."God will render to everyone according to their works; eternal life to those who, by patiently continuing to do good, pursue glory honor and immortality.""For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, to receive the deeds done in the body, whether good or bad."This one's from Jesus: "The hour is coming when all who are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God and come forth; those who have done good, to a resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to a resurrection of condemnation."Paul spent the whole first half of Romans talking about the problems humans have with trying. There's a starting over in the power of the Spirit that God offers, and that's the point of there being a Christianity."For sin will not have power over you [any more], because you are not under the Law, but under grace.""For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God has prepared in advance for us to do.""If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation. Old things have passed away, behold all things have become new.""Except a man be born again, he shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." Hence forgiveness combined with POWER. "His divine power has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that has called us to glory and goodness. By these we are given great and precious promises, so that by them you may partake of DIVINE nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."He wants us to do more than try. He wants us to diligently obtain the help we need--and we need help--to succeed. That's why the first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. Only then will you find the power to love your neighbor as yourself.That's what I mean by success .

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"Might" has left the stage. Fair enough.2 people approach judgement, one who tried as hard as the other but who has not had this forgiveness. The only material difference between them appears to be that the one is presumed innocent and the other guilty. In what way would consideration of the evidence being examined differ so as to result in the guilty receiving a different judgement from the innocent?(It seems to me that presumption of innocence is a tool employed by human courts to give the benefit of the doubt - simply because all the facts cannot be known. But this judge will know all the facts. Hence my wondering what the practical effects are of presumption of innocence (forgiveness))

Hmm...Somehow I don't think it'll catch on.

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The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible

Just goes to show you how difficult it is to formulate moral rules that apply in all cases.

I know some people in here feel that all people are automatically saved. But I do not think that everyone is going to heaven. I do not agree with everyone is automatacally saved. I do believe that we do not know who will be saved or not. This is the gospel of Jesus.Too many Christians focus on the verse John 3:16, and say that only those that believe in Jesus will go to heaven. When you put a sign on your lawn that says John 3:16, you take a verse out of it's context. John 3:16-21 were spoken together, and is a flowing thought.The gospel is about getting into heaven. I agree with John 3:16, but there is more to it than just 3:16. If anything I would elect John 3:21 as being more important.

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16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

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In verse 16-18, that is the case for Jesus. Verses 19-21 is the verdict.In verse 21, it says whoever llives by the truth. The Holy Spirit is truth, and dwells inside each and everyone of us. We tend to deny it sometimes, and rationalize it away. We also get tainted by the world, and cannot see it clearly. But if we live by this truth, then God will forgive us. It is all a matter of heart.When Jesus died, He came to life again, and told the disciples that He would be leaving again, but He will be sending His Holy Spirit.

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Acts1:7 He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

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So to me it is possible that you may not be claiming the name Jesus, but you might be living by His truth.Love God with your heart, mind, and soul. Love others like yourself, is good. It is the core of how we should live.But who is God, and what is love?How do you love someone you don't know, and how do we experience His love, so that we may give this love to others?

First, I don't get where you think "might" has left the stage. If you've bothered to read what I post here over the years, you should know that might is very much an absolute in my messages when speaking of things that cannot ever be proved like Theology or the existance of GOD or heaven or hell. When speaking of things like Evolution or Old Earth "might" may well leave the stage but when speaking of things like salvation or the existance of GOD, "might" is always present.Also, you seem to discount the time folk spend living. You had said and frankly, that sounds quite different from

• you are saved.
• GOD loves you.
• try to do what's right and everything will be okay

Next you want to jump to judgement. How will things be different?you seem to think but I'm not sure that you have outlined my position there.Two people approach Judgement, one is an Atheist, the other a Christian. Both have tried equally hard to do what's right. My position is that they both come forward as innocent and will both be Judged based on their behavior. Being Christian or Athiest, Muslim or Jew, Hindu or Taoist, Pagan or Satanist, Wiccan or Agnostic, professing a belief in GOD or even denying the very existance of GOD will carry no weight.I believe that GOD will be the perfect Judge, knowing all. Where I think we might differ is that I doubt very much GOD really gives a damn about what folk profess to believe and will only look at what they actually did.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Irrelevant.Whether Jesus himself had a joyful life or not doesn't alter the fact that he taught love, happiness and joy.Whether a lot of other people found it hard to follow his message, or didn't agree with it, doesn't alter the fact that he taught love, happiness and joy. Yes, Jesus never said that it's easy to love god and your neighbour as yourself. What's that got to do with the fact that he taught love, happiness and joy ? I do read Jesus' words alone often. He speaks of love and doing good. He doesn't say it's easy but it nevertheless is a message of joy, love and happiness.The part where we're born in sin and live our worthless, self-loathing existence trying to justify ourselves to God didn't come from Jesus!

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

Faith I disagree with both these points. It appears to me that the moralty of preserving life is simply a matter of selfishness on the part of the individual. A selfishness that allows for the harnessing of the strength inherent in the many as opposed to the few. It is to the advantage of the individual to work to the adnvantage of the many.This is why I think the Inaugural Address of John Keneddy struck such a chord in the people of the world. What better way for an individual to ensure their needs than to focus their energies on others? Indeed, what better structuring of purpose can you think of?The Christian way of life may be eroding however, only those parts that do not hold up in the maintainence of the greater good of society. Thus, the parts that are inflexible and intolerant are being shorn off as is the case with all things extreme. Instead of focussing on principles and rules of behaviour the push is to compassion and real understanding of the needs of others first as a foundation for discourse and direction.This message has been edited by sidelined, Tue, 2006-04-11 10:33 AM

This is one of the small pieces of your post which actually deals with the specific issue we have spent a number of posts focussing on. It is your view on the specific role of foregiveness which is being examined - not a generalistic overview of your gospel and certainly not a discussion on mine or even comparing yours to mine.Firstly.The reason I thought 'might' was out was a result of your response to this.. you said... There was no 'might' about it. If there is in fact, a 'might' then can we not equally apply a 'might' to the answer you gave to this... If a 'might' in the former answer then why not in the latter? And if 'mights' in both, then what use that plank of your gospel (edit: removed reference to 'trying' so as to keep topic focussed on forgiveness)Secondly.If you believe forgiveness results in "innocent until proven guilty" without a 'might' then the corrolary belief must follow (unless you have a reason why it doesn't): if there were no-forgiveness = then "guilty until proven innocent" in which case my question stands. Edited to tighten up last questionThis message has been edited by iano, 11-Apr-2006 05:58 PMThis message has been edited by iano, 11-Apr-2006 06:02 PMThis message has been edited by iano, 11-Apr-2006 06:13 PM

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Aren't you forgetting punishment for the wicked? What about the many who take the road that leads to destruction. What about all those who say "Lord Lord" but are refused entry to heaven.Is that your idea of joy? A truly woeful strawman you have going there Legend. Let me help you cast it into the lake of fireWe are all sinners.Our lives are not worthless. We were made in his image firstly. That is very significant and places us above any other created thing - sin notwithstanding. He most certainly doesn't think we are worthless. So neither should we think so. He loves us so much he gave his only son so that...Accepting ones state is anything but trying to justify oneself to God. If one is then one is - there is little point in denying it. You will have never ever heard me say anything here but that God is the one who justifies us."Nothing in my hands I bring simply to thy cross I cling" sums up anything I have ever written about getting right with God. He makes me right with him - not me.This message has been edited by iano, 11-Apr-2006 06:32 PM