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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DA writes: And ad hominum attacks do nothing to bolster your position. They just make you look arrogant and condescending. If you are trying to convert me you are doing a pitiful job at it. Btw, be honest. Are you the devil's Advocate or are you playing the devil's advocate? Edited by Buzsaw, : add quotes BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Peg
why doesnt the 7th day come to an end??? anyone??? Your kidding ofcourse, correct? Do you need to be told that it came to an end,to know that it did? Further, of what value would it be to you even if it directly stated it did? Isnt it a reasonable conclusion that if the others did that this one did as well. if the rest of the scriptures speak of other days beginning and ending after this seventh day, happenings in peoples lives, so to speak, would it not be reasonable to conclude the seventh day was a 24 hour peiod as well. Im missing the validity of your point. D Bertot
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Bertot writes: .......the seventh day was a 24 hour peiod as well. I agree since the sun and moon etc were in place to determine the 24 hr. day. It was also intended to establish the precedent for the Sabbath day of rest for mankind, the God imaged creature. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Some of us believe that the woman's seed refers to the virgin born Savior Jesus who was to come latter. Every other seed of offspring in the Bible is a man's seed. I think there are other examples in the Bible that refers to a woman’s seed. The one that immediately springs to mind is that of Rebekah. In Genesis 24:60 we are told: And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them. I’d say this refers to a woman’s seed wouldn’t you? Also, what about Hagar in Genesis 16:10? And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. The angel is speaking to Hagar here and says that her seed will be multiplied exceedingly, I wonder if that’s a pun! I am pretty sure that Hannah’s seed is mentioned too. There may be others, but I don’t think Eve’s seed is the only woman’s seed mentioned in the Bible.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
If we are still in the 7th day then God is still resting, that would explain a lot.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3128 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Bertot writes: Myself writes: And ad hominum attacks do nothing to bolster your position. They just make you look arrogant and condescending. If you are trying to convert me you are doing a pitiful job at it. Dont you mean unrelostrelate you?. LOL, is that a real word or do you just make up your own religious jargon.
Obviously you already know what the truth is in these matters. You are quite right on this point.
You just need to apply allitle common sense and come on home, brother. Common sense, analytical research, and logical deduction is how I got to the point where I am at now. Thanks for the vote of confidence though.
So let me get this straight. As long as I am acting like a sempering, cowering defensless Christian and taking all of your abuse, ridicule and insults in your posts Im a good Christian and you will use that against me as well. I usually try to only attack the positions not the person (except when they are being extremely obnoxious and annoying). There are many Christians, deists and theists on this forum that I have a pretty good decorum of respectability with.
DA, calm down. It was just alittle humor to lighten the otherwise tense situation. Its ok if you call me fly boy, wing nut or Smurf. What tense situation are you talking about and why do you think I am not calm? You have no clue what my demenor is or anything about me. I have never heard of the term Squidwart in reference to a Sailor except on Spongebob Squarepants. The term Squid is usually a derogatory term when used by members of other services and usually ended up with people throwing each other out of bar windows, however I'll overlook your insult, flyboy . Usually we use the term squid within the Navy to denote us surface sailors vice the bubbleheads (submariners) and the Navy brown shoes (aviators).
Trust me I was not insulting you. Ok, no harm no foul. Like I said it really doesn't bother me it just hurts your own reputation when keep on with this arrogant, "I know better than you" attitude.
You seem to be very knowledgable in what I call nit noid facts as well, as your post are very thourough at times. Oooh, I love word games. Than this would make you the king of blivity!
I believe this is Hank Henagraph, correct? I listen to him on the radio at times. Right, Hank Hanegraaff conducts the Christian apologetics Q&A "Bible Answer Man" radio show. I actually called in once years ago.
Two of my favorite denominationalist speakers are Ravi Zachariahs and Alistair Begg, if that is how you spell thiers names. I have one if Ravi Zachaiah's book's upstairs somewhere. Really smart man though there is much I disagree with home in his philosophy i.e. his view that human morality can only be bestowed by an omipotent supernatural being. I have only heard Alistair Begg one time on the radio, he seemed kind of arrogant.
Thanks for the other one I will take a look at it. These are two of the best apologists and speakers I have ever heard, Ihope you enjoy thier sermons. I have no problem with them, I just disagree with the whole unsubstantiate blind faith thing. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3128 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Btw, be honest. Are you the devil's Advocate or are you playing the devil's advocate? That is for me to know and you to find out. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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Peg Member (Idle past 4956 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Bertot writes: Your kidding ofcourse, correct? Do you need to be told that it came to an end,to know that it did? Further, of what value would it be to you even if it directly stated it did? Isnt it a reasonable conclusion that if the others did that this one did as well. if the rest of the scriptures speak of other days beginning and ending after this seventh day, happenings in peoples lives, so to speak, would it not be reasonable to conclude the seventh day was a 24 hour peiod as well. Im missing the validity of your point. the point is that many claim that the 'days' of genesis are literally 24hrs in length each creative day ends with 'and there came to be evening and there came to be morning' but this statement does not appear for the 7th day. However the Apostle Paul says 4,000 years later that the 7th day was still in progress and christians had the opportunity to 'enter into Gods rest day' so, how can it be deducted that the genesis 'days' are literally 24hours long in light of these facts?
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Peg Member (Idle past 4956 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
if the interpretation doesnt fit with scripture, perhaps there is a problem with the interpretation
please explain why the 7th day does not end with 'and there came to be evening and there came to be morning'
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Peg Member (Idle past 4956 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
yes it certainly does
it also implies that the day following the rest, is one that resume's work
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Peg writes: please explain why the 7th day does not end with 'and there came to be evening and there came to be morning' Why should it? The creation work days were finished. The new morning had no relevance to the creation days. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4956 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Do you think that Moses used a different meaning of the word for 'day' when he spoke of the 7th day???
And why was it later said by the apostle that the Gods rest day was still in progress???
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Peg writes:
And why was it later said by the apostle that the Gods rest day was still in progress??? Peg I think I know which verse you are refering to but could you cite it in its context, the one by the Apostle Paul that is. D Bertot
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Peg Member (Idle past 4956 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Hebrews 3:12-4:11 writes: Beware, brothers, for fear there should ever develop in any one of YOU a wicked heart lacking faith by drawing away from the living God; 13but keep on exhorting one another each day, as long as it may be called “Today,” for fear any one of YOU should become hardened by the deceptive power of sin. 14For we actually become partakers of the Christ only if we make fast our hold on the confidence we had at the beginning firm to the end, 15while it is being said: “Today if YOU people listen to his own voice, do not harden YOUR hearts as on the occasion of causing bitter anger.” 16For who were they that heard and yet provoked to bitter anger? Did not, in fact, all do so who went out of Egypt under Moses? 17Moreover, with whom did [God] become disgusted for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness? 18But to whom did he swear that they should not enter into his rest except to those who acted disobediently? 19So we see that they could not enter in because of lack of faith. 4 Therefore, since a promise is left of entering into his rest let us fear that sometime someone of YOU may seem to have fallen short of it. ...3For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ”They shall not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world. 4For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” 5and again in this place: “They shall not enter into my rest.” 6Since, therefore, it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, 7he again marks off a certain day by saying after so long a time in David’s [psalm] “Today”; just as it has been said above: “Today if YOU people listen to his own voice, do not harden YOUR hearts.” 8For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, [God] would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9So there remains a sabbath resting for the people of God. 10For the man that has entered into [God’s] rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. 11Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, for fear anyone should fall in the same pattern of disobedience. After pointing out Israel’s failure to enter into God’s rest because of lack of faith, Paul turned his attention to his fellow believers. As noted at Hebrews 4:1-5, he reassured them that “a promise is left of entering into [God’s] rest.” Paul urged them to exercise faith in the “good news,” for “we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest.” What was Paul’s point? It was that “the seventh day,” which God had set aside to allow his purpose regarding the earth and mankind to be fully accomplished, was still running its course. Edited by Peg, : No reason given. Edited by Peg, : bolded bits
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Peg writes:
What was Paul’s point? It was that “the seventh day,” which God had set aside to allow his purpose regarding the earth and mankind to be fully accomplished, was still running its course. This was probably not Paul, but another inspired writer, perhaps Apollos or Barnabas or another faithful child of God. No one really knows. First it should be noted that the actual 24 hour period should be distinquished from the metaphorical application of the idea of rest, or completion of Gods work. The 24 hour literal period was in the time that God completed his work. This is the idea of the word rest, he completed in perfection his present work. Yhe rest spoken of while a part of that day, should be distinquished in its application to the 24 hour period. In other words that literal day that came and went has a separate meaning from the "rest" of God and the "rest" that the children of Israel and the later Christians experienced in the fulfillment of Gods purposes in Christ and the Chruch. All of the OT ten commandments were carried over in the NT, except the command to remember the sabbath day and all of its obsevances, to keep it holy. "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinaces, that which was contrary to us, taking it out of the way nailing it to the cross". The writer of the Hebrew letter is therefore trying to demonstrate to a people of stricly Jewish background that God has promised a more than physical type of rest. "In that day", ofcourse refers to a general time period, not ofcourse, to a specific calendar time period. The idea however,of Gods sabbath rest was and is still observed in the the new age in the Church. Rest in these contexts should not be understood as simply taking a break, but rest in the context as slavery from sin, and all that involves. So the idea that it is still running its course would have nothing to do with the actual seventh day, or that God has not completed his work, but that he is longsuffering and will still allow people to enter into that rest (The Church, blood of Christ and salvation from sin) while there is time Your mistake may be in assuming the actual day has anything to do with a completion of work (rest). I am not sure this is whatyou are getting at, but I hope it helps. D Bertot Edited by Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.
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