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John Inactive Member |
One major argument for ID revolves around the idea that conditions in the universe had to be just-so or we wouldn't be here.
It appears that a big bite has been taken out of this argument.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 725 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I had a discussion with a business acquaintance a while back in which he said that the Earth has the most nearly circular orbit of all the Sun's planets, and that this is obvious proof that the Solar System was Intelligently Designed (TM) just for us. He got a little defensive when I pointed out that Venus and Neptune both have more nearly circular orbits than us, and don't appear to be all that life-friendly. I'd like to find out who told him that - it's rather odd to preach information that's that easily falsified.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Odd? Seem like a creationist staple to me. ------------------
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forgiven Inactive Member |
hi john
quote: maybe it's a small point, but the article you posted isn't quite the same as the argument i've heard framed... it isn't about what it would take for all of us to die, it's about the conditions necessary for us to be here in the first place... maybe that article speaks to that, i'll read it more closely
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John Inactive Member |
quote: What I have seen argued is that the Earth is in a near perfect orbit to support life-- not too hot, not too cold.... etc. The point of the article is that a vaste range of orbits could support life and not just life in general but life pretty much as exists on Earth today. Therefore, the appeal to perfect orbital design falls flat. ------------------
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5023 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
Where I am going we are going to have to keep "orbit" and "trajectory" seperate. I could speculate with the words given above here but I think it would re-play the display better if one tried to claim (as I am attempting) that the extra gravity well dimension that makes the Humphryes universe visible; whether or not we all agree to see or not see the same light as to the life occurring here only (for it may be the means from the "perfect" orbit via any storm (newton's comet) to simply project where best to look for life or rather a statistical approach to the different trajectories is more likely.
That said I do think that IF this is the ability to visulize this 5th dimension (mostly here on Earth) then (although I would perfer to be led to my statements by reasoning with Humphryes tensors regionalizing within galaxay clustering etc)the reason that creationists can see what evoultionists do not is because the small ex nihilo probability is becoming more than a possibility. The difficult thing is to get beyond the barrier without having to reason with general relativity. That may not be possible. But seeing continental drift as a whole CartesianISM IS possible. Einstein made the sophomore geometry observation and we do not need to assume that only Partial Differential Equations are going to network the space but once one abandons the models for life to live wihout scientific support for why it is there is most life on Earth centers not only the Solar System but also the Reproductive Connection. Pascal seperated Arithemetic, Mechanics and Geometry and Newton did for Geometry and Mechanics but Galelio also presented a totality the overlap needs to be worked OUT which the position of Poncarre only seems to RETURN the pionts of when this is an issue of extenstion or expansion. Regardless the priveldged position of life on Earth + Humprhyes cosmology explains how I can Understand that Kant understood the plane of the Solar System. The chain to primeval slime however may not be able to be writ along a sigle descending line however as life on Earth may have multiple (baraminic) origins. I am finaly begining to concieve what science without evolution looks like. But that indeed is but the cell of my conviction and not necessarily objective enough.
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John Inactive Member |
Brad, I'm sorry, but I don't speak whatever language this is. However, in the spirit of adventure, I am going to attempt a response.
quote: 'k, though I don't see this theme recur anywhere.
quote: That what, Brad? This isn't a sentence. If one tried to claim that ..... what?
quote: It doesn't matter if we agree on the issue that life exists only on Earth rather than elswhere. Yes?
quote: This appears to be a synopsis of the research reported in the article I cited.
quote: I have no idea what visualization or what fth dimensions it is of which you speak.
quote: The chances of something from nothing are looking better then? ok. Are you talking about the BB, or about abiogenesis? I can't tell. The later would be more on topic.
quote: What would this gain us?
quote: Right. Ok. But what does plate tectonics have to do with planetary orbits, in context?
quote: 1) Never thought I'd see 'Einstein' and 'sophomore' in the same sentence. 2) 'k. no assumptions about partial differential equations????? 3) What models for life to live without scientific support? I suppose you mean, 'abandon the models which lack scientific support?' Ok. Not a problem. 4) Why does life center the Solar System? It doesn't. But we have to live somewhere. 5) What reproductive connection and what does it have to do with planetary orbits?
quote: Can you explain to us?
quote: Fine. Life may have emerged from slime multiple times. Your evocation of 'baramins' is unfounded. And, finally, what does this have to do with planetary orbits?
quote: Good for you. What does this have to do with the topic of the thread?
quote: At least you are honest about it. Kudos. ------------------
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: you're a better man than i, gunga din or kubla khan or whatever *grin*
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5023 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
I dont have time now but I will come back to this "nexus" of correcting my UBBs etc and answer your comments/responses. Thanks so much for not making this into a game.
The place has to do with that HEAVEN is not an insulator or a conductor but evovling heat is a concept that I can not distinguish from your notes as yet. The base-pairs of DNA can be thought as the contacts in Farady's recognition of what is counter the "idea" but I am disumlating because I had difficulty posting today. I'll work back again. You do not need to hold my words up. They will remain. I do not think this is necessarily the only place for life but I do think that as if we find it elsewhere there can be constructed a correlation of trajectories (when not orbits) between earth biogeography and any other place life may be (including those places we or our technology travels too (this can include genetic engineered technology))(In other words I do not think it would be the eventual "evolutionst" spin to say that we are going to explain by multiplying Crick panspermia colonizations (this is a judgement of current data however, there is a chance I could change my mind on this) [This message has been edited by Brad McFall, 12-21-2002]
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: brad i'm sorry for saying anything that might lead you to believe i was making your posts into a game, or not taking them as seriously as they deserve to be taken... that wasn't my intention, but i am very sorry
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Hey Brad... Bump... just keeping this topic on top. Take care. ------------------
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5023 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
Nono Ho LD everything. I was talking to JOhn, I am only permitted one hour a day in ITHACA free comp time. I had come to this site last that time. I am traveling out of state later so siblings permitting I will have all the time in the world to talk at a time. You are forgiven but I never had any grudge, offense, etc. I do not get mad on this board and since ipretty much dont care if others dont get what I say I guess it is on me just not to visit the places that had bit my heel. And dont read Jillian into this either. Happy Holidyad.
I dont even think I have time to day to go point for point with John.
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5023 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
John, I lost my work on this -- that is too bad as I wont be able to recreate this. Sorry I was on a new system. I try again when I am re-freshed.
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5023 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
B-->Where I am going we are going to have to keep "orbit" and "trajectory" seperate
J-->'k, though I don't see this theme recur anywhere. In the post I lost I had expressed this fairly well(again) so instead let me ask at this point the question, Do you mean "recur" in this post? or did you mean in nature or science, the latter of which was what the loss and other web site postings referred. <--BMquote:John quote: Let me come back to this in context of the actual link you started this thread from and come back to my own maybe other ideas if the path leads and we (including me) follow. I'm going to stop here for now since I lost my chain of thought post to the first entry in this thread.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Recur in the post. I don't see where this comes into play in the context of the discussion. ------------------
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