Back to the fundamentals

This was posted by Joe Meert (in response to TB), at
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=66&m=8#8 .
It was such a nice summary of the end of "flood geology", as part of mainstream geology beliefs, that I thought it should be in one of the "Geology and the Great Flood" topics. [QUOTE]quote:
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Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
[B]SG697, from our point of view (Creation) the main point is that we think the evidence shows that much of the layered rocks of the world were rapidly laid in one go by Noah's flood.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------JM: This was a position held by many creationists (also geologists) of the 18th and 19th centuries. Others, such as Hutton argued that the Earth was very old but showed evidence for intelligent design by God. As more and more of them looked at the evidence, they concluded that there simply was no evidence for a global flood (inlcuding paleocurrents mentioned below). Suess (famous for his work on the Alps) noted the similarities between the Gilgamesh epic and the Noachian epic and concluded that the Hebrews had probably borrowed and modified the epic of Gilgamesh into the Noachian story. By the end of the 19th century, the evidence compiled by geologists argued convincingly and unambiguously that there was no global flood although local floods probably were quite common and the source of many legends.[/QUOTE]Moose------------------
BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

Something that ties in with the previous message.A story of the Rev. Adam Sedgwick's belief conversion from Young Earth to Old Earth.A Flood Geologist Recants
Post of the Month: April 2002
The Talk.Origins Archive Post of the Month: April 2002Moose------------------
BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

Yes Mr.Moose I can explain how the great flood happened. I am not
a scientist or a creationist I am a realist! I do have a lot of
theory, but lets start with basic facts. I also know this was a
world flood but you have to start someplace, I would like to start
with the great lakes someplace everyone can relate to. Get out your
RAND McNALLY road atlas and find the finger lakes south east of
Rochester NY. This clearly shows the direction of the glacial movement
North to South. Take a trip to the finger lakes, walk the escarpment
Look at the rocks I did. I could not find any heat generated rocks
associated with glacial movement. Now look at the direction of the
niagarafalls escarpment east to west. common sense tells me the
glacier had nothing to do with Niagara. The bathymetry of Lake Erie
1998 Published by the National Geophysical Data Center clearly shows
the Niagara Escarpment continue to the west about a 100 miles
forming a 35mile wide impact creator made of heat generated rocks
I have sent these heat generated rocks in for testing to many
labs and found no answer to there origin. I know there is a lot of
politics involved in keeping this quite. I know an asteroid was
responsible for the great flood. I would like to prove it with
hands on facts.------------------
watson

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I could not find any heat generated rocks
associated with glacial movement.

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I know a little terminology and I would prefer we used it. Specifically what "heat generated rocks" are you refering to?

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Now look at the direction of the
niagarafalls escarpment east to west. common sense tells me the
glacier had nothing to do with Niagara.

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What led you to that conclusion? Continental glaciers moved south, east, and west. Long Island, in fact, is a terminal moraine left by a eastbound glacier.

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forming a 35mile wide impact creator made of heat generated rocks

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Again, that's too ambiguous. And plus, heat-associated metamorphism is not an indicator of impact cratering, shock metamorphism is.

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I know there is a lot of
politics involved in keeping this quite.

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How's that? More than 120 impact craters are currently known. Nobody is keeping them quiet.

Check out the Bathymetry of Lake eries eastern basin and tell me
what you see. Published by the National Geophysical Data Center
in 1998.

You mean this?http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/erie.jpgI'll admit that's interesting, and I'm not sure what it is. It could be a graben, or a glacial feature. Really I think you'd need to drill rather than look at topography to be sure.

The Department of health in Erie Pennsylvania Will tell you who
is sand dredging that area. You could get good samples from them.
There has been core samples taken of that area. I know this because
there was talk of a pipeline being put across the west brim.
I would have to do a little research, I know I could find out for you
Who did the core samples. There is a much easier way to find samples.
Just walk along the shoreline west of that crator, Look in the rockey
areas not the sandy. If you have a cheep metal detector take it with
you so you can tell what rocks have metal. The common glass rocks
will be green some are bluegreen and some are blue green and yellow.
The best time to find them is about 2pm when the sun is high and
thay will stand right out. The rocks also can be cut and polished
and made into jewelry. The rocks are between 7&8 Hardness except
for the yellow it"s much softer. I have sent samples to numerous
Labs across the country and still no one has comeup with an origen.
THANKS WATSON

Gene 90I have been analyzing the rocks six years before that
topagraphy map existed. I don't believe the goverment persay
is keeping this creator quite. I do believe a few at the the
top are makeing a fast buck indirectley, And the Existence of
this would kill there money flow. Gene there is alot more hear
than just the creator. I have found three ancient foundrys that
was smelting this material. The bases to these foundrys need to
be tested. Also I have a burial mound 30 feet wide 175 long
15 feet high, the mound dates 1340.aprox. The bottom has a clay
floor with a 2 foot sand layer on top, on top of the sand layer
is 4 inches of mortar The mortar is made of meteorite crust.
Meteorite crust is used in ancient cement. The question I have
is how much meteorite crust does it take to make enough cement
to cover a area 4 inches high 30 feet wide and 175 feet long?
The canadion Geo survay has the core samples you want.
Why Havn't you responded to this. I gave you the location
of a new creator on a silver platter, I know your a smart man,
Please respond.

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Originally posted by Watson:
Gene 90

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I have been analyzing the rocks six years before that
topagraphy map existed. I don't believe the goverment persay
is keeping this creator quite. I do believe a few at the the
top are makeing a fast buck indirectley, And the Existence of
this would kill there money flow. Gene there is alot more hear
than just the creator. I have found three ancient foundrys that
was smelting this material. The bases to these foundrys need to
be tested. Also I have a burial mound 30 feet wide 175 long
15 feet high, the mound dates 1340.aprox. The bottom has a clay
floor with a 2 foot sand layer on top, on top of the sand layer
is 4 inches of mortar The mortar is made of meteorite crust.
Meteorite crust is used in ancient cement. The question I have
is how much meteorite crust does it take to make enough cement
to cover a area 4 inches high 30 feet wide and 175 feet long?
The canadion Geo survay has the core samples you want.
Why Havn't you responded to this. I gave you the location
of a new creator on a silver platter, I know your a smart man,
Please respond.

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I can't find another crater that looks like what you propose to be a crater. Planetary and Space Science Centre | UNB------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com

Thanks for the database.
Can you explain the glass rocks with metal spheers.
How about quarts that is a diamond hardness with metalspheres
inside. can you explain? These are things I can pic up and
hold in my hand, Thay are real. Watson

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Originally posted by Watson:
Thanks for the database.
Can you explain the glass rocks with metal spheers.
How about quarts that is a diamond hardness with metalspheres
inside. can you explain? These are things I can pic up and
hold in my hand, Thay are real. Watson

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I don't know, but I can try if you can give me somewhere to start.------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com

Thanks for your reply
Can you do your own analysis of the rocks? Most asteroids when
thay impact are totally destroyed. This one is different, I beleive
this one slamed into the glaciers and the ice contained a lot of it.
I can send you some pictures. Where would you like to start?
There is a lot hear. Thanks Watson

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Can you do your own analysis of the rocks?

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Not really. Take them to a local university. Have you done that? If so, what did they tell you? Seriously, if this is anything unusual a geologist will be jump all over it.

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Most asteroids when thay impact are totally destroyed.

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I don't see the significance.

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This one is different, I beleive this one slamed into the glaciers and the ice contained a lot of it.

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Why do you believe this? Ice contained a lot of what?

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I can send you some pictures.

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Contact the Admin. His email is at the bottom of the page. He has been kind enough to post pictures for other people. I don't see why he wouldn't post yours too. That way we can all see what you are talking about.------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com

I don't have enough information to venture a guess about the origin or nature of these "glass rocks" you speak of. I will point out that the information I could get on the hardness of tektites (believed to be impact glass) ranges from about 5-6. Also I know of no references to tektites ever being found in that part of the country. I will also point out that a lot of minerals look glassy or have a vitreous luster so that isn't telling me much. As for metal spheroids I cannot say much, except to point out that there are metal inclusions (not necessarily spheroids) in some varieties of quartz.

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Also I have a burial mound 30 feet wide 175 long
15 feet high, the mound dates 1340.aprox.

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Has it been excavated? How did you get the age?

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Meteorite crust is used in ancient cement.

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I've never heard of this, it is something I know nothing about.

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The question I have
is how much meteorite crust does it take to make enough cement
to cover a area 4 inches high 30 feet wide and 175 feet long?

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See above.

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I gave you the location of a new creator on a silver platter

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The best I can do is try to find an explanation for the trench at the bottom of Erie. I think it's a glacial scour of some kind but I can try to ask around. Not that local faculty would be useful at that but I suppose I can try.[This message has been edited by gene90, 01-12-2003]

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I can't find another crater that looks like what you propose to be a crater.

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All your craters are terrestrial. One concern about terrestrial craters is that they're a bit too round. There don't seem to be any craters the shape of the proposed Erie depression on Earth. This could be because of physics involved with our thick atmosphere.I would consider the Erie depression to be a bunch of other things before a crater but it isn't impossible.http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-362/ch5.2.htm