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Doddy
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Message 121 of 173 (396555)
04-20-2007 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by jar
04-20-2007 1:08 PM


Re: Some rebuttals
Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.
Bolding mine. I don't think that any dinosaur, or any other vertebrate, has more than one head!

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jar
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Message 122 of 173 (396559)
04-20-2007 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Doddy
04-20-2007 8:11 PM


Genesis Creation Myths are simply false.
Well I don't see that as of any importance. Consider "Heads of State." It's just not an important or even relevant issue.
The fact is that the Genesis Creation Myths are absolutely false and no one can honestly claim they are accurate. It's not necessary to look at minor things like plurality or critters that only show up in later books.
Anyone who claims that the Genesis Creation accounts are accurate is either very ignorant, very deluded or very dishonest. There are no other possibilities.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
So let's look at this.
the order in the Bible is
  1. night & day
  2. grasses
  3. create the sun and moon
Sorry, that is simply wrong.
I will continue if needed but the fact is that the order listed in the Bible is simply wrong.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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obvious Child
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Message 123 of 173 (396686)
04-21-2007 6:25 PM
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04-20-2007 8:11 PM


Re: Some rebuttals
Genetic deformities have seen various vertebrates with two heads, two head snakes have been found in addition to cows, dogs, and cats.
Polycephaly - Wikipedia

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Message 124 of 173 (396690)
04-21-2007 6:48 PM


The topic is broad but...
This topic is pretty much a catch all type topic, but the current messages seem to be really getting out there on some fringe.
Please, little focus in the topic?
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Nuggin
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Message 125 of 173 (396945)
04-23-2007 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jjsemsch
04-17-2007 11:25 AM


Where did you go, JJ
Don't tell me, we've scared you off completely. Heck, we barely scratched the surface of the evidence, and you disappear. Sad.

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jjsemsch
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Message 126 of 173 (397090)
04-24-2007 11:09 AM
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04-18-2007 3:43 PM


Re: My top 20: 9 of 20
volcanoes don't exactly erupt water.
Volcano - Wikipedia
Water vapor is typically the most abundant volcanic gas, followed by carbon dioxide and sulphur dioxide.

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jjsemsch
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Message 127 of 173 (397100)
04-24-2007 11:45 AM
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04-18-2007 4:49 PM


Re: My top 20: 6 of 20
This is a new one. Now, the Flood was 6k years ago, and then there was an Ice Age? from when to when? do you have a timeline that gives specific dates?
As of the time at the posting of this message, the AiG search engine is down, so I'll have to go from memory. Creation was about 6k years ago and the Flood right around 4500 years ago. The ice age then followed the Flood. If you truly are interested in specific dates I would suggest "The Annals of the World" by James Ussher. It gives a chronology for world events based the Old Testament timeline. It shouldn't be too hard to find. I found it at several different online retailers.

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Nuggin
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Message 128 of 173 (397102)
04-24-2007 11:49 AM
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04-24-2007 11:45 AM


Re: My top 20: 6 of 20
Why were there Ice age adapted animals (giant ground sloth, mastadons, sabertooth tigers, etc) around for 1500 years before the Flood?
Did God know mankind was going to have to be punished at the point of creation? If so, then mankind doesn't have free will after all.

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jjsemsch
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Message 129 of 173 (397103)
04-24-2007 11:54 AM
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04-18-2007 5:01 PM


Re: My top 20: 13 of 20
Wasn't this Fall before Cain and Abel were born?
Yes

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anastasia
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Message 130 of 173 (397105)
04-24-2007 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Nuggin
04-24-2007 11:49 AM


Re: My top 20: 6 of 20
Nuggin writes:
Did God know mankind was going to have to be punished at the point of creation? If so, then mankind doesn't have free will after all.
One of the most played out arguments of all time there, Nuggin! The question of God's omniscience does not need to affect free will.
Edited by anastasia, : afraid of grammar police

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Coragyps
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Message 131 of 173 (397106)
04-24-2007 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by jjsemsch
04-24-2007 11:54 AM


"Wasn't this Fall before Cain and Abel were born?"
'Yes'
Doesn't that suggest that C and A might have had a few?
Sheesh!

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Nuggin
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Message 132 of 173 (397108)
04-24-2007 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by anastasia
04-24-2007 12:09 PM


Re: My top 20: 6 of 20
If man has free will, but his destiny is pre-ordained, then what exactly is free will?

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jjsemsch
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Message 133 of 173 (397112)
04-24-2007 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Coragyps
04-18-2007 5:08 PM


Re: My top 20: 15 of 20
Are you just avoiding me?
No, I'm not avoiding you. I apologize if my responses are slow, but as you can see I'm virtually the only YEC in a room full of Evolutionists. This thread was started for me to respond to Nuggin's Top 20. Now that I've completed responding to those to be fair I'm answering messages in the order they were posted.
Does Bermuda grass run uphill faster than a pterodactyl flies?
I've never seen either one run uphill, but if I were to venture a guess I'd say pterodactyls move faster than Bermuda grass. Does that answer your rhetorical question?

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Message 134 of 173 (397113)
04-24-2007 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by anastasia
04-24-2007 12:09 PM


Re: My top 20: 6 of 20
Off topic for this thread but a personal favorite topic of mine.
Here are some threads on the subject. The first two are just for reading but the third was barely started and has plenty of room to continue a discussion.
Message 1
Message 1
Message 1
This one is old, but still plenty of discussion room. If I remember correctly, this was one of the first places my alter ego posted on here.
Message 1

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    Coragyps
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    Message 135 of 173 (397116)
    04-24-2007 1:20 PM
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    04-24-2007 1:03 PM


    Re: My top 20: 15 of 20
    I've never seen either one run uphill, but if I were to venture a guess I'd say pterodactyls move faster than Bermuda grass. Does that answer your rhetorical question?
    I suppose. Why would you think, then, that grasses are ONLY found in strata higher in the geological column than pterodactyls, and NEVER in the same rocks?

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