God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.

When was the last time you saw God deal out justice?
I never have.In religion, there is no evidence.Regards
DL

What would stop a non-omnipotent god from being an architect of the universe? Why does this thing have to be omni-potent? Or alive? Or emotional? Or any human-like trait?

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Greatest I Am, So? You can form your own opinion on that. You probably will anyway. My statement was only to illustrate that there are still alternative explanations for God's withholding of miracles. That's the reason you'll never convince anyone who wants to believe in a benevolent God that no such thing exists.-----But, you didn't answer my question:

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If you cannot support your assertion that evil is not being dealt with by God, I humbly request you provide an explanation concerning how a God may only be deemed moral and benevolent when and if He chooses to implement supernatural miracles to this end, as opposed to other lures in His tackle box, such as natural processes, etc..

Hi, Bailey. I think he did deal with it in the OP: The part about "sinning" is obviously subjective and difficult to support without defining it. But, if GIAm is including "children starving" as evil, it's fairly apparent that God is either not dealing with this issue by either miraculous or mundane means, or is dealing with it in an incompetent or sadistic way.Since GIAm appears to be assuming an omnipotent God who has the power to save these children from starving, we have to grant to him that this God is, indeed, withholding his services from these poor children.Of course, the God alternative I proposed here is an example of your objection, so I'm mostly on your side here.-----Perhaps we are going about this all the wrong way: maybe we should be asking GIAm to just give us the answer. He should know it, because he is the "Greatest I Am," after all. Moral: don't ridicule God if your screen name is "God." Unless, of course, you are able to ascertain that nobody you blog with is observant enough to make the obvious joke.

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Thank you for your reply Bluejay.It could be construed as a miracle to some that different groups masquerading under the guise of God's assistants, are consistently allocating what may or may not be considered a miraculous amount of resources towards the end of feeding these helpless beings.When this was done in another Judaic scripture that basically identifies the means of which the act was done as mystery, it constituted a miracle.Both parties are being fed in God's name, tho they do not earn their bread ...How do the two feedings differ?

Bluejay, message #12, writes:
Would the fact that He chose to give His miracles to somebody else still make Him immoral?That would depend on the miracle. If He improves my car while allowing another to starve then yes that would be immoral on both our parts, if I had the power to refuse.Regards
DL

Message 19 of 22
10-27-2008 06:09 PM Reply to: Message 16 by Greatest I am
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If you cannot support your assertion that evil is not being dealt with by God, I humbly request you provide an explanation concerning how a God may only be deemed moral and benevolent when and if He chooses to implement supernatural miracles to this end, as opposed to other lures in His tackle box, such as natural processes, etc..Evil is not being dealt with because our children still die needlessly of starvation. This has been an ongoing issue for 2-3000 yrs. It seems our natural process has stalled.Seeing this, if God can do something and does not then He is immoral and does not deserve our fellowship. If He wants to be important to us then we must be important to Him.Regards
DL

Thank you for the reply GIA. We are the natural processes whether the charity of humans is regarded as miraculous or otherwise. As you point out in another post, humans will not go extint - they will evolve. I agree, but question our collective motivations to this end. We chose the alternate path of knowledge and if God Is then he will work with us. Perhaps human evolution has stalled or man is not applying his knowledge properly. Your last point is good.
Many have eaten, yet not earned their bread tho.
Some through charity and others through corruption.
If we can question the charity as a miracle, we should also question 3000 years in the face of eternity.Just a mist, and then it is gone.Edited by Bailey, : spelling

BaileyIn an endless universe, all measurements are likely to be minute.Regards
DL

Thank you for the reply GIA ... By applying your assertion, which I find agreeable, it shall follow that any measurement of neglect on God's behalf is also minute.Respectively, if the duration of our universe was a mere 300,000 years, and God starved us for 3000 of them, He will have starved us 1% of our time.If I feed you 99% of the time, does this make me an incompetent, immoral, sadist?He may have been using His cosmic toilet at that moment ...I will not fault Him for that.

If He was then we know where it is located.
Look out below.Regards
DL

Hello GIA, The only problem I see in this line of argument, is the assumption that you know what is best. How do you know that for the survival of all the human race some children don't have to starve. Could earth support a population where no one has ever died off from starvation or disease? We are already close to a tipping point of resources versus demand. How much worse would we be right now if we had even more of a population? There is plenty of things that given limitless resources that I am sure plenty of people would change. However that does not mean that humanity has the insight and for-knowledge to acuratly determine what is best for humanity as a whole.

If not us then who. God is absent and cannot advise. To think He advises with death and not words is a strech of your thoughts.As to numbers, the population grows daily by many. Many more than starve. If God wanted to impact our numbers then it would be more humane to decrease our ability to reproduce, not leave it as is and allow children to starve. Is that not a better way.Regards
DL

Not my thoughts. I am not the one advocating a personal God. It is entirely possible that mass extinctions happened exactly the way they are supposed to. I don't know. What is the best way to kill off populations of people? Personaly if I have to go I would like it to be in a meteor collision. I think it would be cool to watch a mountain fall out of the sky, plus it is quick, so long as you are on the side that gets smacked. Unfortunatly death is like parents, you don't get to choose, well unless you're really sad about your girlfriend that dumped you right before prom. You could make the case that HIV, is a way to control the human population. Who knows, maybe AIDS is gods way to limit us to a level that will be able to sustain our resources'. Oh by the way, starvation is also a means to limit reproduction levels. It has been occuring on the earth for many, many years. The point is, if there is a god/s/whatever and there is a "plan" to all this. It is being handled by someone much smarter than any of us. Who works in ways and through time that the human mind can not begin to fathom. We are just now getting a look at what has been told in stories and myth throughout history. Our universe, as it really is, and even now we are finding that there is even more to it that can not even be detected in any way but gravity and expansion. IMO it is a little pretentious to just throw all that back in gods face, just because you do not like the stories a few religions have told about the way they think the universe works. So I say, no it is not evil for god to preform a miracle here and there and not give every person everything they ask for. All you would end up with, would be a bunch of spoiled people who have become completly dependant on god for the littlest of things. I wish that life was paradise, but lets face it. Life is turmoil, it is the way things change and change is not always a bad thing. Just a side thought. If prayer was welfare, then would god be a republican? Edited by rueh, : I love DB codesEdited by rueh, : No reason given.

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The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
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