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Greatest I am
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Message 91 of 175 (487832)
11-05-2008 9:29 PM
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11-04-2008 7:56 AM


Back it up or shut it up.
Regards
DL

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Message 92 of 175 (487834)
11-05-2008 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by onifre
11-05-2008 2:21 PM


How could I find a God who uses genocide against man moral.
The God of the literal Bible is a genocidal maniac. The Bible may help lead some to God but to read it literally shows a God that must hate men. He kills us often enough.
God is real bit not the loser of scripture.
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DL

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Message 93 of 175 (487867)
11-06-2008 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Greatest I am
11-05-2008 9:29 PM


If you had read my replies to Postelnik you would discover that I have already backed it up.
But, since you are about as moronic as Postelnit, you probably didn't understand my points.

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Message 94 of 175 (487868)
11-06-2008 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Brian
11-06-2008 8:38 AM


Behave! Brian.
The last line was unnecessary! I have hidden it.

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Message 95 of 175 (487881)
11-06-2008 11:58 AM
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11-06-2008 8:42 AM


Re: Behave! Brian.
Yet the post I responded to was perfectly acceptable?

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Message 96 of 175 (487883)
11-06-2008 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by onifre
11-05-2008 2:21 PM


Furthermore what type of definition for God is there other than what is founded in scriptures?
That acquired through personal revelation and meditation, and group discussion.

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Message 97 of 175 (487886)
11-06-2008 12:18 PM
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11-06-2008 12:03 PM


Hi Mr Jack
That acquired through personal revelation and meditation, and group discussion.
That doesn't seem like a definition. It seems like a collection of subjective experiences. How do you or anyone else know that it has anything to do with God? How would you reference a God in those cases?
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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Message 98 of 175 (487889)
11-06-2008 12:27 PM
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11-05-2008 9:34 PM


The God of the literal Bible is a genocidal maniac. The Bible may help lead some to God but to read it literally shows a God that must hate men. He kills us often enough.
This seems like a very self centered attitude. Assuming there is a God for the purpose of this discussion, God has clearly hated other animals much, much more than man. Just ask the 99% of all species that are extinct, wouldn't you think their opinion of God would be very low since God let them go extinct? At least we are still around reproducing. So what if a few are lost, how many more are born?
If we went extinct then you'd have something to be upset about, but it doesn't seem likely anytime soon so the human race is favored, for the time being.
God is real bit not the loser of scripture.
Real how? In what sense is he real?

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Message 99 of 175 (487935)
11-06-2008 5:40 PM
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11-06-2008 8:38 AM


Brian
I don't know what a Postelnit is and I have no time to read a bunch of information when a line or two from you would sum it up.
Speak or go away. Most Good points are short.
Regards
DL

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Message 100 of 175 (487938)
11-06-2008 5:51 PM
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11-06-2008 12:03 PM


Furthermore what type of definition for God is there other than what is founded in scriptures?
That acquired through personal revelation and meditation, and group discussion.
If I may.
Many religions have an Alpha and Omega type miracle worker God. Many have not. Their Gods are more down to earth shall we say.
My God is more of a cosmic conscience and it happens to be mans next evolution.
This brings me to the last remark made.
You mention personal revelation. People today will not believe someone else’s personal revelation.
Since coming out, shall we say as a, prophet, I have gained nothing but ridicule, except thank God, for the odd open mind.
The prophets of yesterday wrote scripture. The prophet of today, well you know the word most used.
Regards
DL

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Message 101 of 175 (487939)
11-06-2008 6:05 PM
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11-06-2008 12:27 PM


onifre
Animals do not speak. Let’s get that straight. Snakes do not talk and fish do not spit out men after three days.
I don’t care which fundamental told you these were real but they are not.
Going extinct is a natural process. Species are always in flux. Lower animals have no quarrel with God. He did not genocide their ass. He did ours.
We are the ones God should say He is sorry to if you want to believe in the genocidal maniac.
God does not kill. He can only advise. The writer of Genesis spun a tricky tale to make us think there was or is a miracle working God but there is not.
That writer was brilliant in the sense that He named God, the WORD.
That I all that God offers man. It is a wish of folly to expect more from a corporeal existence.
Thank God it does not end here or all of us would be disappointed at death.
God is a cosmic conscience. Our next evolution.
Regards
DL

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Message 102 of 175 (487942)
11-06-2008 6:13 PM
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11-06-2008 5:40 PM


So, I need to repeat myself because you are too thick to read what has already been posted?
Postelnit is the moron who began this thread, whose arguments are based entirely on incredulity, exactly the same mistake that you are making with your claims of 'a moral God would not kill'. Who decides what is and isn't moral when it comes to God's actions? You?

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Brian
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Message 103 of 175 (487943)
11-06-2008 6:16 PM
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11-06-2008 6:05 PM


Animals do not speak.
I remember when I was small and listened in awe to the family budgie as it said what a pretty boy it was.
Wait, that couldn't have happened could it because animals cannot talk.

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Message 104 of 175 (487947)
11-06-2008 6:57 PM
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11-06-2008 6:05 PM


Hi GIA,
Animals do not speak.
Humans do, we are an animal, so your statement should read "Not all animals speak".
Let’s get that straight. Snakes do not talk and fish do not spit out men after three days.
If you are talking about the stories in the Bible, about the Garden and Jonah, I can stop you there and tell you I don't really care. I didn't mention any of that nor did I reference it. But, I agree that snakes and fish don't do any of that.
Lower animals have no quarrel with God.
How do you know that? Thats an assertion. Again for the purpose of this thread I am assuming God exists. How would you personally know who God is quarreling with?
He did not genocide their ass. He did ours.
What genocide are you refering to? And humans are not extict, we are here so if he did genocide or asses, it was only to a select few.
We are the ones God should say He is sorry to if you want to believe in the genocidal maniac.
I don't believe in any of that, so lets get past you telling me this. But, if God did genocide a few people, who are you to judge his actions? It was done long before you were around, maybe he had problems with these select few, who are you to tell him what he can and cannot do? And besides we believe in government don't we, whos more genocidal than them?
Thank God it does not end here or all of us would be disappointed at death.
How do you know that?
God is a cosmic conscience. Our next evolution.
So you believe in God? And you pass judgement on someone elses belief in God? Wow that takes the cake!
Yeah, everyone knows unicorns exist but I believe they are white, when the idiots believe they are pink...dumb idiots believing in a pink unicorn!

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"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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Message 105 of 175 (487956)
11-06-2008 9:30 PM
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11-06-2008 6:13 PM


Who else can judge God other than men?
Regards
DL

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