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Am5n 
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Message 1 of 4 (441308)
12-17-2007 1:46 AM


Adminnosy
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You have been invited to take this issue to a new thread of your creation. Do not continue here or I will have to suspend you (or any one else who replies here.
I would like this to be put in The Great Debate. I would like to also do a 1 on 4[ me vs jar,chiroptera,Ringo,and bluescat48]
I don't know what to put as the topic, so can someone give me some good names for this topic, and ill pick 1 from it. thank you.
Below is my argument for beginning the topic in The Great Debate.
sincerely yours, Amen.
Ringo:
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If they show how creationism is wrong, is that "mocking" Christianity?
by throwing jokes around?... yep 3 yrs i was taking biology and the teacher mocked Christianity(my belief) and threw jokes around(to me they were insulting). so guess what happen? I called my attorney he set up a meeting with the Principal, which my father attended as well as myself. I told the Principal what happen, then my attorney said,"tell your staff to just do his job or you might want to think about firing him, cause if this happens again, theres going to be a problem, wanna goto court?". The main idea of me saying this is, because obviously it seems some teachers wanna do more then just teach their students, which in this case the teacher got fired. why? He did it a 2nd time!
Chiroptera:
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but when a religion teaches "truths" that are clearly factually wrong, then the religion is pretty much self-mocking.
You can believe whatever you want to believe, but where is Christianity shown in biology text books? NO WHERE! so therefor its not apart of biology and the teachers shouldn't be saying anything about Christianity! because it has nothing to do with subject she/he is teaching. The students keep their belief out of public schools because of the separation between church and state, but it doesn't give teachers the right to slander,joke,or mock Christianity when it clearly has nothing to do with the subject she/he is teaching!
Jar:
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Teaching that evolution is a fact and that the TOE is the best explanation, no, the only explanation to date is not mocking Christianity.
I don't mind them teaching evolution, but they shouldn't slander,joke,or mock a religion when its most definitely has nothing to do with that their teaching. "if its not in the text book" it should not be taught".
Jar:
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Well, it looks like your God is a sexist bigot as well as one that promotes ignorance over knowledge. It also appears your God too moves straight to violence. Likely your God never learned how to reason either.
My God? I didn't even put God in it. I said what I believe. oh I'm sorry if I don't consider women = to men(but thats off topic and so is your insult) Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't evolutionist do experiments on animals(this experiment also killed some of the animals) in the early 1900's? yea jar a lot of people complained about what they called "Animal Cruelty".
Jar:
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So put your kids in one of the many Christian Cult of Ignorance Avoidance schools
I shouldn't have to. This country was founded by God fearing people, not evolutionist. a lot of Christians died during times of war, they've prayed before battle, they've killed and died for this country. What has evolution done, besides denying and making fun of our God? huh? what has it done? The Christians have done more to & for this country, this land of freedom, then evolution ever will.
Evolution:
no truth, no honesty, no knowledge, no ethics, no morals or no critical thinking, just question everything you see hear and believe.
Bluescat48:
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Just because your cult believes that "I WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE & I WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR MY FAMILY! AMEN!" does not mean that everyone should cowtow to your beliefs.
Nor shall they cowtow toward the beliefs of a biology teacher. Its plain and clear, if biology school teachers tamper with the separation between church and state, well then why the hell can't the church be brought in? I've even witnessed it at my biology class. Does evolution have followers?! do other people believe in evolution?! do these people consider Christians stupid people that lie and make money of their religion?! Well then they believe in the same thing dont they?! thats a cult and thats a religion! you dont need a building or a church called "The Evolutionism Church" all you need is pagans,atheists,and humanist, along with you're evolutionist buddies and you've got a big group of people that believe in the same thing! we've got people teaching evolution in free public schools?! dont a lot of people believe in evolution? so their basically sharing a belief in public schools! we've got Christian and Catholic schools. guess what? their private schools! the parents have to pay for their kids to go there, but isn't that just crazy? the Christians and catholic schools have to be a private school cause its all about religion, they teach their beliefs! evolution is taught in free schools ok? I hope you are reading this cause I'm only going to say it 1 more time! Evolution is taught in "FREE!" schools! parents don't have to pay the public schools, because those schools are for the public! and thats where our taxes go. So which school has more kids?! the public schools! it's free baby! They've got the teachers that believe in evolution, that teach biology and evolution in a public school system. Then we got the Religious private schools that aren't free, with teachers that believe in God, that teach about their beliefs.
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religion: A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
zeal: Enthusiastic devotion to a cause, ideal, or goal and tireless diligence in its furtherance.
Evolutionist have jobs and are devoted to them.
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cult: A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
Charles Darwin, the author of " The Origin of Species". This is someone who believed in evolution.
authoritarian: Of, relating to, or expecting unquestioning obedience.
Evolutionist don't question Darwin's Evolutionary Theory, if they did they wouldn't be called evolutionist now would they? So a lot of evolutionist read and don't question Darwin's scientific methods for evolutions? yep they don't question Darwin's methods for evolution, therefor Charles Darwin is the leader of the belief in evolution and expects unquestioning obedience.
In other words. Those who believe and are devoted to the evolution theory, are actually in Darwin's cult, along with all the other followers. so bluescat48... Who's cowtowing who to their beliefs?
Bluescat48:
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How does teaching evolution mock Christianity?
ya but what you seem to not understand is that, if a biology teacher is not teaching the class properly and if a student is offended because the teacher decides to do jokes and mock about Christianity, well then I hope
they had their laugh, because that kinda crap could and would get them fired. it's biology class, not "hey i wanna tell jokes and mock a religion and see if i can offend somebody" kinda class.
Chiroptera:
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I was wondering that, too, but reading his subsequent posts, I think that Amen is saying that a biology teacher was actually mocking Christians.
I was using my own faith for example, but yes Chiroptera, I believe its mainly mocking Christians. It's not just Christians though, there are other religions and beliefs that do worship the same God. It seems to me that when I was in Biology, we had a discussion about abortion...... yes thats right. I have a couple of questions.
1. are biology teachers crossing the line, when mocking creationism (also believers in God) in a class room? I seriously believe these teachers are doing a lot more then just teaching, but more along the line of promoting it! it looks like a biology teacher is not only teaching so these kids can learn but what to believe. If your saying bad things about something(exp:religion) that student is going to want what you(evolutionist) offer. In the eyes of some parents thats called tampering with the child's Disciplinary routine. Evolution supports no God! God hates abortion, it is a sin, it is murder, and it is bad, therefor why would a public school teacher talk about abortion and say they are for it, but the parents are against it. Do you think paganism and atheism is reaching into public schools threw evolutionist? well don't paganism and atheism have something in common with evolution? yes they are against the same thing, There is no God, there is no spiritual forces, there is no heaven, there is no hell, and everything in the bible is a lie! The public school is to teach math,science,english,critical thinking etc.... AND THERE SHOULD NOT BE TEACHERS BRINGING WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND TALKING OR MOCKING OTHER INDIVIDUALS BELIEFS! THESE KIDS DON'T DO THAT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS IF THEY DO THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW IMMATURE THAT TEACHER REALLY IS! a classroom subject should be like a forum topic. the person who made the topic should stay on topic, not go off it!
What the biology teacher said in class:
"Today I want to know what you students think about The Evolution Theory". *everyone goes silent* "Well I think it's better then the theory of God, you shouldn't let you're beliefs get in the way of what is real and true.", then I said " sir I don't think this is nessary"
then the teacher started lecturing me on how it was nessary to eliminate God and don't include God when you're doing the evolution scientific methods. "I want you all to write what you believe and what you think about evolution."
I wrote what I believe and what I thought about evolution. what I wrote: "I'm fine with it. I believe that evolution isn't all true. to me its more like an idea and isn't considered to be a fact."
those 3 sentences seem to have offended him or something, but he asked me what I believed and what I thought of evolution, and I wasn't going to lie, nor was I trying to offend him.
Edited by Amen., : woopsy
Edited by Amen., : I remembered some of the things that were said and done in the biology class. [aka the teacher who got fired for mocking my beliefs and what I thought of evolution] I'm sorry but I'll add more to it when I have more time. bye

"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

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Message 2 of 4 (441322)
12-17-2007 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Am5n
12-17-2007 1:46 AM


A good start but..
You haven't actually told us what exactly the biology teacher said and did in the class. You did mention that he supported abortion in the class which is clearly inappropriate but that doesn't have anything do to with evolution anyway.
It would be much easier for people to discuss it if you gave the details.
TGD is a good idea too I think. We will do that when you are ready.

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Am5n 
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Message 3 of 4 (442182)
12-20-2007 1:41 PM


suggestion
I might need more time to really finish my PNT TGD topic. so if this becomes a problem please tell me. thank you.
sincerely yours, Amen.

"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

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Message 4 of 4 (442186)
12-20-2007 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Am5n
12-20-2007 1:41 PM


Time
You can have as much time as you need. The threads stay around for months and years so you can come back to it when you need.
We do sometimes close PNTs if no one gets back after a long time but now that you have asked for time you can have days or weeks. Since you need , probably, 5 or 8 paragraphs to give the details I guess you need a spare half or so. This time of year is busy and that may be hard to find.
Keep that in mind when replying to comments and questions too. It is better to wait awhile and think through what you are going to say than hurry and not be clear.

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