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Dinoman15
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Message 1 of 6 (393197)
04-03-2007 9:21 PM


Hello,
I posted something about the book I wrote. It seems that most of the members here are skeptics. Below is my reply to your responses:
Did you know that researchers found artifacts in South Africa depicting Ceolacanths? But of course that species of fish died out 70 million years ago. Those artifacts can’t really be of Ceolacanths - they must be of another fish - are you crazy? The artifacts must be hoaxes! But then again, in 1938 the Ceolacanth was discovered alive and well and had not evolved one bit!
Let me ask you a question? If you were at a court of law and over 20 films and photographs to prove what you are saying; would that convince the judge? What if you had thousands of credible eyewitnesses to support your point? Guess What! There are many videos and photographs of dinosaur-like creatures. I’m not talking about some unknown photograph from somewhere on the internet, I’m talking about credible photographs that are not found on the internet and have been thoroughly examined.
A Few Documented Photographs and Films:
Date: 1996. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: (Last name) Zaiser
Date: 1990. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: DeMara
Date: 1987. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Kirk
Date: 1989. Region: Lake Okangan. Witness: Chaplin
Date: 1968. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Folden
Date: 1979. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Gaal
Date: 1980. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Thal
Date: March 9, 2000 Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Berry
Date: 1980. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Francey/Gaal
Date: 1990. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Paskal
Date: 1989. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Gaal
Date: 1992. Region: Lake Okangan. Witness: Johnson/Rolston
Date: July 12, 1981. Region: Lake Okanagan Witness: Wachlin
Date: 1980. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Allsup
Date: 1976. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Fletcher
Date: 1984. Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Svennson
Date: 1982 Region: Lake Okanagan. Witness: Boiselle
Date: 1990 Region: Lake Okanagan Witness: Simmons
Date: 1993 Region: Lake Champlain. Witness: N/A
Date: 1977 Region: Lake Champlain. Witness: Mansi
Date: June 3, 1990 Region: Lake Champlain Witness: Hall
Date: November 8, 1992 Region: Lake Champlain Witness: Hall
Date:1985 Region: lake Champlain Witness: Hall
Date: June 19, 1999 Region: Lake Champlain Witness: N/A
You say claim that there is no way that dinosaurs could evade detection and still be living today. Here are a few points you use:
-This Planet is completely explored; there is no room for new animals to be discovered; especially large creatures.
-If there undiscovered animals living then where are the carcasses, films, photographs, and dung to prove their existence?
Below are list of a few newly discovered animals. Please note that most of these animals are large.
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1)MegamouthShark - a 16 foot shark; discovered in 1976.
2)Okapi - a large, giraffe-like animal; discovered in 1903.
3)The Congo Peacock - a new species of bird; discovered in 1937.
4)Vu Quang ox - a deer-like creature; discovered in 1994.
5)Chrysaora - a jellyfish over 20 feet long; discovered in 1989.
6)Large Cirrate Octopus - an octopus with 8-foot “arms”; discovered in 1984.
7)Crested Iguana - a new species of Iguana, over 2 feet in length; discovered in 1979.
8)Coelacanth - a scaly fish thought to have gone extinct for 70 million years; discovered in 1938.
9)Neoplilina - a mollusk-like creature thought to have gone extinct over 350 million years ago; discovered in the 1950’s.
10)Cephalocardia - a shrimp-like creature thought to have gone extinct over a half billion years ago; discovered in 1955.
11)Sea Daisy - a relative of the Starfish thought to have gone extinct over before the Age of the Reptiles; discovered in 1985.
12)Tutara - a lizard-like reptile whose fossils have been found among the dinosaurs; discovered in New Zealand.
It has been proved that these creatures are still living and went undiscovered for many years. So now let us look at the Skeptics/Evolutionists questions again:
-This Planet is completely explored; there is no room for new animals to be discovered; especially large creatures.
-If there undiscovered animals living then where are the carcasses, films, photographs, and dung to prove their existence?
Now you skeptics have some explaining to do!
On July 19, 1896, there were over two-hundred people who saw a giant sea reptile off the New England coast. In the years following reports continued - in the hundreds. It is nigh impossible that all could have been lying or misidentified what they saw. One witness, Nathan Chase, reported that “I saw the creature just as truly . I have not doubt that the uncommon , strange rover, which has been seen by hundreds of men and boys, is form of . Plesiosaurus, or such marine animal. An officer on board the warship, H. M. S. Daedalus said that the gigantic sea animal they had seen was “rather a lizard than a serpentine creature . propelled by fins, not by undulatory power.” Now what is over 50 feet long, is a lizard, and has fins? If you guessed Mosasaur then you are correct!
At 10:15 AM, December 7, 1905, zoologists and members of the Zoological Society of London, Nicoll and Meade-Waldo observed a large plesiosaur-like creature off the coast of Brazil. The creature had a large fin on it’s back with a long neck and turtle-like head. The next day the crew of the ship reported seeing a strange creature. Meade-Waldo added “It made a wave as went along, and under the water behind the neck I could see a good sized body.”
Whether the skeptics want to admit it or not, the fact is that dinosaur-like creatures still living today is NOT impossible. Really, it is very possible. I have researched living dinosaurs in cryptozoology for over 5 years now, I have read hundreds of accounts which point to similar creatures of reptilian origin (Possibly dinosaurs). I have spoken with people who have seen these creatures, others who have done expeditions to remote areas of the earth in search of these shy animals which evolutionists refuse to accept their existence. I have seen some of the Ica Stones and various other artifacts that depict dinosaur-like creatures.
Carl Sagan (a famous evolutionist) believed the pervasiveness of dragon legends in so many cultures is no accident. He says that the dinosaurs were so terrifying that primitive mammals passed on the memory and accurate pictures of the beasts through over 65 million years of evolution. And the skeptics/evolutionists call me crazy for being a creationist. That is a lot crazier than saying that dinosaurs lived recently with man. One evolutionist paleontologist, when he saw the photo of the carving of a Stegosaur made in a Cambodian temple by Khmer people in 1200 A.D. exclaimed, “Its beyond me, but that Khmer didn’t sculpt that stegosaurus from fossilized bones. He had to have seen a living stego, and that’s downright scary to think about.” He is right, dinosaurs living in recent times IS VERY SCARY for evolutionists (even though many claim that living dinosaurs is no problem for evolution). But Evolutionists do have explanations for this. One said that the stegosaur depiction was actually of a scared cat with its fur sticking up in the shape of plates. An Irish writer in 900 A.D. wrote of a large beast with “iron nails” on its tail that pointed backwards and triangular plates running along it’s humped back. It also had a head shaped similar to that of a horse’s, and had thick legs with strong claws. Now what animal would you call that? I bet the skeptics don’t want to know!
Also the skeptics have been accusing me of being “biased” or having a “creationist agenda.” Yes, I am biased toward the evidence. Really everyone is biased towards something! Either you are a creationist (YEC), Evolutionist, or theistic Evolutionist. So biased evolutionists are accusing me of being biased.
-Dinoman Phil
"Scores, perhaps hundreds, of trustworthy mariners...have seen what they believe to be such a creature, but they refuse to publish any account of their observations, knowing that they will be insulted and publicly gibbeted as fools and liars if they do."
PS. Any open minded-researchers who have questions on living dinosaurs can e-mail me (phillip@livingdinos.com) or visit my website.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2 of 6 (393201)
04-03-2007 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dinoman15
04-03-2007 9:21 PM


quote:
But then again, in 1938 the Ceolacanth was discovered alive and well and had not evolved one bit!
Actually, this isn't quite true. The extant (i.e. currently living) Coelacanth species are quite a bit different than the Mesozoic species -- in fact, they aren't even in the same family.
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Carl Sagan (a famous evolutionist) believed the pervasiveness of dragon legends in so many cultures is no accident. He says that the dinosaurs were so terrifying that primitive mammals passed on the memory and accurate pictures of the beasts through over 65 million years of evolution.
I have a great respect for Carl Sagan, but this was one of his nuttier ideas.
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By the way, considering how many of my college age students are barely literate, I have respect for the fact that you have written a book, self-published or not.

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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jar
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Message 3 of 6 (393203)
04-03-2007 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dinoman15
04-03-2007 9:21 PM


Question
If tomorrow absolute proof of living dinosaurs was presented, what effect would that have on the TOE?
You do understand that it would support the TOE don't you?
You do understand that it would offer us opportunities in genetics that have been unavailable to us before?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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NosyNed
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Message 4 of 6 (393218)
04-03-2007 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dinoman15
04-03-2007 9:21 PM


Ogopogo on Lake Okanogan
Since my parents lived over looking the lake for a couple of decades and I spent many summer weeks there enjoying the paradise I have always been a bit interested in Ogopogo.
How about showing the actual pictures? Everyone I've ever seen were worthless as evidence for anything other than poor photographers. Maybe you have some that are better than what I've seen.
I have, however, seen the Ogopogo on many summer evenings.

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 5 of 6 (393221)
04-03-2007 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dinoman15
04-03-2007 9:21 PM


Anyone want to buy my credible, non-internet, examined photos?
the fact is that dinosaur-like creatures still living today is NOT impossible
Birds are dinosaur-like creatures still living today. If fact, some birds have even been photographed; and some of these photographs are credible, are not found on the internet, and have been thoroughly examined.
I’m talking about credible photographs that are not found on the internet and have been thoroughly examined.
I happen to have some 'credible photographs that are not found on the internet and have been thoroughly examined'. I sell them on the street corner for two bucks each.
A Few Documented Photographs and Films:
What exactly does it mean for a photograph or film to be "Documented"? I'm thinking of getting my photographs Documented if that raises their price.
Edited by AnswersInGenitals, : No reason given.

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Message 6 of 6 (393236)
04-04-2007 12:34 AM


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