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Message 31 of 69 (407506)
06-26-2007 2:13 PM
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06-26-2007 1:59 PM


Re: There is nothing to be problem for evolution
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I only quoted Dawkins observation about Oxford students of zoology having problem to tell apart skuls of marsupial and placental wolfs.
An anecdote, referring to exam conditions when only one of the two skulls is available . Mistakes are not surprising.
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If people here know dental formulas of both species by heart
You were told that you don't need to know dental formulas. If you had looked at the pictures and seen the differences in the shape of the teeth you would know that you didn't need to know dental formulas. You're just proving my point. The idea of looking at the evidence just doesn't occur to you. You just go on and on insisting that your own opinions have to be right even in the face of proof that they're wrong.

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Message 32 of 69 (407512)
06-26-2007 2:24 PM
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06-25-2007 5:14 PM


Re: There is nothing to be problem for evolution
The first specimen of the platypus was brought back to England in 1799, and it was considered as a fake. The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin was published in 1859.
So MartinV, with your cosmic wisdom, how many Darwinists do you think there were in 1799?
There were no darwinists - as far as I know - in 1799. Strange enough nobody noticed Natural selection before Darwin did so. In that time math galloped - Fourier published his complicated The Analytical Theory of Heat in 1822 - using so complicated higher math that even nowadays students at Uni are fired not understanding it.
The reason of motion of material bodies (gravity and impetus) was known even by Giordano Bruno in 17 century (btw one darwinist here ridiculed Bruno and called him religious freak or something very similar) :
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This is due to nothing else except to the fact that the stone which leaves the hand of the one supported by the ship, and consequently moves with its motion, has such an impressed virtue [impetus] 87. The notion of impressed virtue (impetus) was an all-important link in the development toward the formulation of inertial motion by Galileo, Descartes and Newton, and it had a long history antedating Bruno, as has been amply documented in the studies of P. Duhem, A. Meier and others., which is not had by the other who is outside the ship, because the stones have the same gravity, the same intervening air, if they depart (if this is possible) from the same point, and arc given the same thrust.
It is very strange - considering deep insight and state of the science at those times - that discovery of such simple law as "natural selection" has to wait until industrial revolution took place in the midst of 19. century and when former student of theology Darwin "proved" it observing finches beaks.

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Message 33 of 69 (407521)
06-26-2007 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by MartinV
06-26-2007 2:24 PM


Re: There is nothing to be problem for evolution
There were no darwinists - as far as I know - in 1799. Strange enough nobody noticed Natural selection before Darwin did so. In that time math galloped - Fourier published his complicated The Analytical Theory of Heat in 1822 - using so complicated higher math that even nowadays students at Uni are fired not understanding it.
The reason of motion of material bodies (gravity and impetus) was known even by Giordano Bruno in 17 century (btw one darwinist here ridiculed Bruno and called him religious freak or something very similar) :
people also "worshipped satan" long before darwin existed, so it doesn't really follow that just because people have made other discoveries that someone should have noticed natural selection earlier. if it's all satan's lies, why didn't he come up with it sooner?
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.
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Chiroptera
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Message 34 of 69 (407540)
06-26-2007 6:15 PM
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06-26-2007 2:24 PM


Re: There is nothing to be problem for evolution
Strange enough nobody noticed Natural selection before Darwin did so.
Why is this strange? No one noticed the inverse square law of gravity before Newton, either.

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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Message 35 of 69 (407549)
06-26-2007 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by MartinV
06-26-2007 2:24 PM


Re: There is nothing to be problem for evolution
MartinV writes:
Strange enough nobody noticed Natural selection before Darwin did so.
Simple now does not equate to simple then...
The wheel and arch are very simple ideas however civilizations existed for centuries without noticing them.
Not sure what you point is here.... I am guessing you are trying to equate the industrial age with evolution for some unstated reason.
MartinV writes:
former student of theology Darwin "proved" it observing finches beaks.
Darwin never "proved" evolution from observing finches beaks anymore than Newton "proved" gravity by being hit with an apple.
You are displaying either ignorance or bias by indicating that the substance of Darwin's work was derived from "finches beaks".
Darwin's finches - Wikipedia

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Message 36 of 69 (407552)
06-26-2007 6:49 PM
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06-26-2007 6:33 PM


Re: There is nothing to be problem for evolution
Actually natural selection was noted before Darwin.

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Chiroptera
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Message 37 of 69 (407553)
06-26-2007 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by bluegenes
06-26-2007 1:50 PM


Good job!
Damn, you're right!
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platypi:
Modern Platypus young have three-cusped molars which they lose before or just after leaving the breeding burrow....
and
quote:
echidna:
Echidnas have a tiny mouth and a toothless jaw.
So modern mammals generally have teeth, which is a primitive therapsid trait; the toothlessness of modern monotremes is a derived trait.
Heh. Good work, blue.

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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Message 38 of 69 (407562)
06-26-2007 8:01 PM


I know I started a few topics which I have since ignored. There is a good reason. I dont know if this is appropriate, but here it is. I like in Lake Tahoe, CA and unless you live under a rock you probably know its on fire. My house is literally a block from the falmes, we are about to loose everything. So if you are the praying type please do because we can use all the help we can get. My family is safe and thstd what counts. I can be reaqched at dragonclaws0554@sbcglobal.net and will rpely when i can. right now i am at my hubby's work waiting for the traffic to clear enough to get back to my children.

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Message 39 of 69 (407563)
06-26-2007 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Chiroptera
06-26-2007 7:13 PM


Re: Good job!
Chiroptera writes:
Heh. Good work, blue.
Cheers, but to be honest, there was no work. Early on in the thread, I put in a link to a wiki page on monotreme fossils, and it was somewhere there that I read that the adults were toothless, and thought that it was mildly interesting. If I'd really been smart, I'd of made the connection when you first mentioned the idea of placentals retaining characteristics which the monotremes didn't have.
So, in a sense, if the platypus is a living fossil, so are we!
Edited by bluegenes, : Typo!

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Message 40 of 69 (407564)
06-26-2007 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by MartinV
06-26-2007 2:24 PM


Re: There is nothing to be problem for evolution
MartinV writes:
Strange enough nobody noticed Natural selection before Darwin did so.
I'm going to go into your trap here I guess.
Strange enough, nobody noticed the parabolic motion of a projectile until Newton pointed it out. Strange enough, nobody noticed how off the Ptolemic model of the solar system was until Copernicus pointed it out. Strange enough, nobody noticed that you can't know the position and velocity of a quantum particle until Heisenberg pointed it out.
What's your point? Actually, what has this got to do with the topic?
The reason of motion of material bodies (gravity and impetus) was known even by Giordano Bruno in 17 century (btw one darwinist here ridiculed Bruno and called him religious freak or something very similar) :
Huh? What has this to do with the topic? How does this disprove evolution?
It is very strange - considering deep insight and state of the science at those times - that discovery of such simple law as "natural selection" has to wait until industrial revolution took place in the midst of 19. century and when former student of theology Darwin "proved" it observing finches beaks.
Um... so what's your point?

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Message 41 of 69 (407567)
06-26-2007 8:15 PM
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06-26-2007 8:01 PM


Glad your family's safe, and best wishes. What can I say but that will be looking forward to hearing from you when things settle down, and I hope you'll all be O.K.
Don't worry about the topic, we're learning a lot. It's a good one.

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Message 42 of 69 (407575)
06-26-2007 9:30 PM
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06-26-2007 8:01 PM


Prayers going with you. Been there, had to run more than once out there.
May it all work out for you.

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Message 43 of 69 (408773)
07-04-2007 8:05 PM


Let me explain some logic to you. Without any evolution theory, philosphzation etc. Evolution believers will say the duck bill platypus is a "missing link" believe me it isn't. God made it. Now whether or not it was made to mess with evolutionists.. I can't say. No idea. But, just studying this "lesser" animal down the tree as evolutionists say, we can see God in all his intelligence. Now the duck billed platypus usually lives in rivers in mud holes. And most importantly, feeds of worms, small crabs and cray fish, things like that. Now, it can find and eat these things with ridiculous certainty. How!? Well, we didn't know till recently. if a crab moves his leg nearby, it will be eaten by the duck bill. Now how does he knows he's there? Well we have done experiments. And it can actually sense electrical impules from the brain. AND also measure the distance that it came from in water. Bats can do it in the air, but these guys in water. So the experiments they've put a flashing battery in water and the duck bill dives 3 or 4 yards down and grabs it with supreme accuracy. Incredible. Now, obviously instrumentation like this doesn't come about on it's own by a hit and miss method of chance and natural selection. You ask an electrical engineer to do that for you, and he'll most certainly send for a phychiatrist. Because as an intelligent being he knows, everybody knows, that things like this require supreme intelligence and active thought to design and make. As Psalm 139 says he knows our thoughts before we make them into a concept and into code using our computer brains. AMAZING.

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Message 44 of 69 (408774)
07-04-2007 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by WS-JW
07-04-2007 8:05 PM


Let me explain some logic to you.
Okay, but seeing that you haven't yet demonstrated much of an ability for logic, I'm not going to get my hopes up.
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Because as an intelligent being he knows, everybody knows, that things like this require supreme intelligence and active thought to design and make.
*sigh* Just as I expected.
As someone who is an expert in logic, I have to inform you that making assertians isn't the same as logic.

Q: If science doesn't know where this comes from, then couldn't it be God's doing?
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Dragoness
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Message 45 of 69 (408817)
07-05-2007 3:55 AM


I still don't have much time to catch up on the topics I started, but Iwanted to come back and let everyone know that our home was spared.
Here is a link to my photoblog for the fire.
Angora Fire, Lake Tahoe, June 2007
I look foward to reading what I missed when I get caught up!

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