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Author Topic:   The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made
Mephesto666
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Message 121 of 320 (398799)
05-02-2007 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by iceage
04-30-2007 12:25 AM


Re: Man wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks
The bible could not have been written by God, as there are too many differences in this Bible. For example, you may choose to notice that Mormons and Christians both believe in the same God, but their bibles are considerably different. One must also consider that the Christian Bible clearly states that one is not to follow under any other religion. Such a contradiction would indicate that the "Bible" was indeed man-made.

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    heretic5
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    Message 123 of 320 (416790)
    08-17-2007 8:24 PM
    Reply to: Message 120 by iceage
    04-30-2007 12:25 AM


    Re: Man wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks
    I have discovered that God also had a hand in writing the Bible, along with humanity. Instead of posting a long chain of logic here, please see it at http://greatriddle.flifree.com/c-bible-errancy.htm

    Being a heretic is not automatically being wrong.

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    Message 124 of 320 (416793)
    08-17-2007 9:22 PM
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    08-17-2007 8:24 PM


    Re: Man wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks
    We'd actually prefer a long chain of logic here.

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    jar
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    Message 125 of 320 (416795)
    08-17-2007 9:29 PM
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    08-17-2007 8:24 PM


    Re: Man wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks
    But not some long cut-n-paste.

    Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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    Refpunk
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    Message 126 of 320 (416877)
    08-18-2007 10:03 AM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
    04-15-2007 11:46 PM


    Again, since one cannot refute what he doesn't understand any more than one can refute the laws of physics if he doesn't understand them, then until unbelievers understand the endless correlations between Old and New Testaments, he cannot possibly claim that any human being wrote the bible. Volumes and volumes can be written and are written about the fulfilled prophecies, the OT shadow of the realities of God, and God's plan from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation, and they still wouldn't cover all the correlations that the bible describes that fit perfectly into God's plan.

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    jar
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    Message 127 of 320 (416883)
    08-18-2007 10:56 AM
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    08-18-2007 10:03 AM


    Speaking as a believer.
    As a believer, I find it amazing you could make such a statement. If you think you know of some fulfilled prophecy, please start yet another thread on them. So far no one has been able to actually show many such critters.

    Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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    Message 128 of 320 (416884)
    08-18-2007 11:00 AM
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    08-18-2007 10:56 AM


    Re: Speaking as a believer.
    (removed huge cut and paste from Hugh Ross, it can be read at the following link - unattributed cut and pastes are not allowed here, please make you point in your own words using links as backup.)
    http://www.believers.org/hughross.htm
    Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)”that chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
    Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
    *The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:
    Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5000 that his ministry could begin in 26 A.D.
    Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
    Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.
    Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105.
    For starters.
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    Edited by AdminAsgara, : changed c&p to link

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    jar
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    Message 129 of 320 (416887)
    08-18-2007 11:05 AM
    Reply to: Message 128 by Refpunk
    08-18-2007 11:00 AM


    Re: Speaking as a believer.
    Instead of just cut-n-pasting more PRATTs (points refuted a thousand times) Start yet another thread on the one you think you can support.
    Better yet, search the site here and read the existing threads on that nonsense.

    Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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    Message 130 of 320 (416897)
    08-18-2007 11:53 AM
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    08-18-2007 11:05 AM


    Re: Speaking as a believer.
    All one needs to do is read the bible to see that those prophecies are supported by the bible. So once again, one can't refute something he doesn't understand or has not even read. So I won't even listen to people who don't even know what the bible says.

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    Message 131 of 320 (416899)
    08-18-2007 11:59 AM
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    04-16-2007 12:52 AM


    Re: Is there such a thing as "The Bible?"
    And considering that those who think they understand biology but don't know WHY monkeys don't breed human descendants any more than humans breed monkey descendants, they're not even telling "half-truths." They're telling outright falsehoods.

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    Message 132 of 320 (416900)
    08-18-2007 12:06 PM
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    08-18-2007 11:53 AM


    Re: Speaking as a believer.
    All one needs to do is read the bible to see that those prophecies are supported by the bible.
    I'm sorry but the Bible cannot prove the Bible.
    So once again, one can't refute something he doesn't understand or has not even read. So I won't even listen to people who don't even know what the bible says.
    And your support for that assertion is?
    The topic question is whether or not the Bible is a product of man or God.
    The fact is that there is not even such a thing as "THE" Bible, rather there are many different Canons.
    A second fact is that many parts of the Bible can be shown to be factually false, there was never a world wide flood, the conquest of Canaan never happened as described in the Bible, the Exodus is just a myth.
    In addition, many of the prophecies can be shown to be false or are simply examples of quotemining and post hoc reasoning.
    If the "Bible" is Godly made, then God could not make up his mind and decided to include fiction along with facts.

    Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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    iceage 
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    Message 133 of 320 (416947)
    08-18-2007 7:25 PM
    Reply to: Message 130 by Refpunk
    08-18-2007 11:53 AM


    Re: Speaking as a believer.
    ref writes:
    All one needs to do is read the bible to see that those prophecies are supported by the bible.
    I common theme I have found here is that non-Christians are much better versed on the Bible then supposed bible believers.
    Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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    Message 134 of 320 (416954)
    08-18-2007 8:08 PM
    Reply to: Message 131 by Refpunk
    08-18-2007 11:59 AM


    Re: Is there such a thing as "The Bible?"
    Refpunk writes:
    And considering that those who think they understand biology but don't know WHY monkeys don't breed human descendants any more than humans breed monkey descendants, they're not even telling "half-truths." They're telling outright falsehoods.
    I am pretty stupid so I had to ask my 3 year old daughter, so she explained to me that evolution doesn't claim that humans evolved from chimps, so there is no reason to think that they should be spontaniously birthing humans.

    Idiots speak louder than words
    (yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)

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    Omnivorous
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    Message 135 of 320 (416959)
    08-18-2007 8:43 PM
    Reply to: Message 126 by Refpunk
    08-18-2007 10:03 AM


    Endless Crap
    Refpunk writes:
    until unbelievers understand the endless correlations between Old and New Testaments
    Both texts are finite.
    Whoa--thought time!
    How could there be "endless correlations" between two finite bodies unless somebody is making stuff up?
    Sounds more like an endless stream of crap.

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