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caldron68
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Message 1 of 17 (706574)
09-14-2013 6:39 PM


Man has questioned his own existence since the dawn of time. Doesn't it make sense that God has most likely questioned his own existence as well?
Very early in life every person experiences a first moment of self awareness. Later in life everybody questions their own existence and may wonder what their purpose in life is. Would God have experienced the same thing? A moment of self awareness and later question their very existence and purpose for being?
I'm just trying to reconcile how a supreme being could not possibly question their own existence, especially since this entity has ultimate control over creation itself.
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09-14-2013 7:40 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Does God ever question his own existence? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
Topic strikes me a being goofy, but what the heck?
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Message 3 of 17 (706577)
09-14-2013 8:12 PM


Has man questioned his own existence since the dawn of time?
Why would anyone question their own existence?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 4 of 17 (706580)
09-14-2013 11:36 PM
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09-14-2013 8:12 PM


Re: Has man questioned his own existence since the dawn of time?
I assume you have a solid answer for solipsism, then?

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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caldron68
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Message 5 of 17 (706583)
09-15-2013 8:13 AM
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09-14-2013 11:36 PM


Re: Has man questioned his own existence since the dawn of time?
Maybe I should have phrased the question a bit differently. Essentially it's a question of how and why, especially from the perspective of a supreme being. Christians believe that man is here on the Earth because God created us and our purpose in life is to spread his word. Does God ever question the same how and why? How did I get here and why am I here? Think of it this way, if you were God and you experienced a first moment of awareness, wouldn't you question your own existence? Why am I here and who gave me the power of creation?

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09-15-2013 8:49 AM
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09-14-2013 11:36 PM


Re: Has man questioned his own existence since the dawn of time?
Sure. The answer is "Who cares? What possible difference would it make. Would a rose still smell as sweet?"

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 7 of 17 (706594)
09-15-2013 1:47 PM
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09-15-2013 8:13 AM


Re: Has man questioned his own existence since the dawn of time?
... if you were God and you experienced a first moment of awareness, wouldn't you question your own existence? Why am I here and who gave me the power of creation?
Two things I guess. One, if you are omniscient you don't have any questions and two, if you are eternal there are no first moments.

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Message 8 of 17 (706602)
09-15-2013 2:51 PM
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09-14-2013 6:39 PM


Asking questions isn't very useful unless you can propose a way of looking for answers. Humans can hypothesize gods and look for them. Gods could look for "supergods". What would a supreme being look for?

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Message 9 of 17 (706607)
09-15-2013 4:33 PM
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09-15-2013 2:51 PM


Asking questions isn't very useful unless you can propose a way of looking for answers. Humans can hypothesize gods and look for them. Gods could look for "supergods". What would a supreme being look for?
Some hairless monkeys who barely evolved the capacity to reason so he can mind fuck them with various ideas of supreme beings the afterlife and such.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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Message 10 of 17 (706610)
09-15-2013 5:40 PM
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09-14-2013 6:39 PM


Why is there something rather than nothing?
If some sort of universe creating God exists he is sitting there wondering himself why he, rather than nothing, ever existed.

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Message 11 of 17 (706612)
09-15-2013 5:52 PM
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Was and Is or Was and Is Not?
Not necessarily. The Beast (satan) may well ponder such stuff, however....
Revelation 1:8-- "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
Rev 17:7-8-- The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not,and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Another good comment from the book, Thinking As A Science:
quote:
If a man were
to know everything he could not think. Nothing
would ever puzzle him, his purposes would
never be thwarted, he would never experience
perplexity or doubt, he would have no problems.
If we are to conceive of God as an All-Knower,
we cannot conceive of Him as a Thinking Being. Thinking is reserved for beings of finite intelligence.

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caldron68
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Message 12 of 17 (706622)
09-15-2013 8:21 PM
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09-15-2013 1:47 PM


Re: Has man questioned his own existence since the dawn of time?
quote:
Two things I guess. One, if you are omniscient you don't have any questions and two, if you are eternal there are no first moments.
I'm not so sure about that. Even if you are omniscient, you must still make decisions and making a decision implies that you have asked at least one question. Example, allowing a serial killer to be born even though you know the ultimate impact on the lives of his victims and their families.

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caldron68
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Message 13 of 17 (706623)
09-15-2013 8:33 PM
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09-15-2013 2:51 PM


quote:
Asking questions isn't very useful unless you can propose a way of looking for answers. Humans can hypothesize gods and look for them. Gods could look for "supergods". What would a supreme being look for?
I disagree, anybody can ask questions but they may not be qualified to propose a suitable test for the answer.

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Message 14 of 17 (706661)
09-16-2013 9:01 AM
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09-15-2013 8:21 PM


Re: Has man questioned his own existence since the dawn of time?
Even if you are omniscient, you must still make decisions and making a decision implies that you have asked at least one question.
I think Thugpreacha supports my point with his quote. Omniscient beings wouldn't really think about things the way that we do.
I am not sure if such a being would be constrained by logic or obligated to make decisions or do anything for that matter. Even if they did have questions they would be fairly short lived wouldn't they? It must be an awfully boring existence. Nothing to wonder about, nothing to be surprised by. Knows all the punch lines to all the jokes.
Contemplating the mind of a God that we imagine reminds me of a dog chasing it's tail.

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Message 15 of 17 (706673)
09-16-2013 11:41 AM
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09-15-2013 8:33 PM


caldron68 writes:
I disagree, anybody can ask questions but they may not be qualified to propose a suitable test for the answer.
Then they need to ask somebody who is qualified. Of course, somebody who is more qualified than the "supreme being" doesn't exist, so it would be useless for him to ask himself such questions.

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